Internet Censorship begins in America; 70 websites seized

[Phil502]

Is it still okay to read "The Cat in the Hat" to you kids?

 

[rambone]

Not only for stealing. Pimarily for stealing. Sometimes used for other stuff, but primarily for stealing. That's why thet get shut down summarily. If you put makeup on a pig you still got a pig. Just with makeup on it.

I still haven't heard a reason why it is justifiable to shut down entire websites instead of going after the dreaded pirates themselves. It doesn't make any sense. This really isn't about intellectual property. I haven't even given an opinion about the validity of intellectual property. I'm just of the opinion that if it is to be punished, this is a dead wrong approach.

The question is, what gives them the right to punish websites who provide a medium that could conceivably be abused? Should Craigslist be shut down because Nigerian fraudsters and hookers like to use it? It makes no sense. Or the copy machine analogy. Why aren't we calling Xerox an "accessory to theft"? What is the acceptable ratio of legitimate copies to fraudulent copies? You can't punish and control innocent people in a society of just laws.

Why does your argument hinge on calling the critics "libtards" or "anarchists"? Pardon me for not wanting to give Janet Napolitano more power... I guess it amounts to anarchy if some tyrant czar can't just kill the internet with a stroke of her pen. No cession of power is too great in the name of protecting the homeland!!

 

[machete]

Now I don't know about anyone else on the forum here. I know a few things technical. I would almost venture to guess (not blowing my own horn or anything) that having written commercial compilers, been an IBM mainframe assembler programmer working on operating systems, having developed database software, been on development team of one of the first BI products and multideminsional databases and worked with a number of people to define ETL tools, having written and submitted RFCs, a Masters degree in Information Technology from a little school in Boston, and having more than a few patents issued that I might know a little bit more about technology than most folks here. In fact I've probably forgotten more than most people know, especially those that don't know the difference between sharing and stealing

No...not really...

You just know how you want things to come out... You have a history of getting income protection from the government,,,and youd like to keep it that way,,,and youd like the government to keep ensuring that you stay in profits... Nothing new about corporations using government guns to keep profits high...

If I come into your house and steal your Beatles CD,,,you dont have it anymore...its stolen...

If I share my Beatles CD,,,you still have yours...and everyone else still has theirs...

Did these torrents break into your house and steal your CDs???

 

[mrjarrell]

I still haven't heard a reason why it is justifiable to shut down entire websites instead of going after the dreaded pirates themselves. It doesn't make any sense. This really isn't about intellectual property. I haven't even given an opinion about the validity of intellectual property. I'm just of the opinion that if it is to be punished, this is a dead wrong approach.

The question is, what gives them the right to punish websites who provide a medium that could conceivably be abused? Should Craigslist be shut down because Nigerian fraudsters and hookers like to use it? It makes no sense. Or the copy machine analogy. Why aren't we calling Xerox an "accessory to theft"? What is the acceptable ratio of legitimate copies to fraudulent copies? You can't punish and control innocent people in a society of just laws.

Why does your argument hinge on calling the critics "libtards" or "anarchists"? Pardon me for not wanting to give Janet Napolitano more power... I guess it amounts to anarchy if some tyrant czar can't just kill the internet with a stroke of her pen. No cession of power is too great in the name of protecting the homeland!!

I'm more concerned with the ugly question in the room, that's ignored (or lauded by certain people). Where is the due process? Where is the day in court? They just hacked into these people sites and shut them down (realistically, they stole them), without anything approaching due process. Guess some big government types like that kind of behaviour from the government. Me? Not so much.

 

[mrjarrell]

Is it still okay to read "The Cat in the Hat" to you kids?

If some had their way, you'd have to send a payment to Dr. Suess's estate every time you did. Or you could buy a license allowing you to do it.

 

[rjstew317]

No...not really...

You just know how you want things to come out... You have a history of getting income protection from the government,,,and youd like to keep it that way,,,and youd like the government to keep ensuring that you stay in profits... Nothing new about corporations using government guns to keep profits high...

If I come into your house and steal your Beatles CD,,,you dont have it anymore...its stolen...

If I share my Beatles CD,,,you still have yours...and everyone else still has theirs...

Did these torrents break into your house and steal your CDs???

so... can i have your address so i can come to your house and "share" all your stuff?

 

[machete]

People keep using the word sharing. Sharing is the word you use when you try to rationalize stealing. What is going on in most of these cases is someone, somewhere, purchases a license to intellectual property created by another,

WRONG!!! What happens is that someone buys a CD... If the CD costs $15,,,is sales tax imposed on a license or the disc??? How much does the license cost??? I didnt even know that licenses were taxed??? Lawyers write up licenses,,,all the time,,,do lawyers collect sales taxes on these contracts???

If money changed hands and sales tax was collected...that means there was a sale where someone bought something,,,and people can do what they want with what they bought...unless were all a bunch of liberals now???

All this IP stuff is trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth,,,saying you bought something but you didnt really buy something... Is the CD mine or isnt it??? How come I can do whatever I want with the milk-butter and salt I bought but I cant do what I want with the CD I bought???

A screwdriver was IP too,,,once upon a time... if you ever made your own form of screwdriver,,,you stole someones IP... Heres whats really funny,,,they call it property even though they lose ownership of it... If you have your shoes,,,theyre yours as long as you live... If you get a patent,,,they call it property,,,but you only have this property for 20 years... By definition,,,property is yours for all time,,,so if you lose it,,,it cant be property!!!

And then,,,if its a song,,,you get property for your life plus 70 years...but a patent only gets 20 years!!! How can you own something once youre dead??? And how is a certain kind of property not even property for the same amount of time??? Your shoes and socks are your property,,,as long as you live... No different time for shoes and another for socks...

These IP people are really just saying --we want some guaranteed income so please government,,,heres some cash,,,so come out and use your guns to help us out...

 

[machete]

so... can i have your address so i can come to your house and "share" all your stuff?

you can do what you want with your stuff,,,and I can do what I want with my stuff... Thats called --freedom..

Its nanny state Libs who want to tell you what to do with your stuff...

 

[Brimaster]

Interesting topic.
I have a dumb question on this subject.
So if I understand this correctly, if for instance your neighbor gave you free a box of old vinyl LP's and you converted them to mp3's and shared the files your breaking the copyright laws and the same would hold true when you record a tv show, sporting event, radio show, whatever and share the copy your breaking the copyrights law?
If this is all true then basically a majority of the folks everywhere are routinely breaking this law.
Sorry for the question just sounds like depending on how the courts rule and the law's enforced could be a very fine line.

 

[Phil502]

Is it still okay to read "The Cat in the Hat" to you kids?

If some had their way, you'd have to send a payment to Dr. Suess's estate every time you did. Or you could buy a license allowing you to do it.

Thats what I'm thinking.

 

[Hkindiana]

I cannot understand the lack of forethought that is being shown by some in this thread. Do you not understand what a copyright is? Would a drug company invest the MILLIONS it takes to research and develop a new drug if they knew that as soon as they released it on the market some other company would copy (share) it? The government, through law, protects the company for twenty years so that they can recoop their investment, and turn a profit. Otherwise companies would not be willing to invent new products.
When you buy a CD, you own THAT piece of plastic, but you DO NOT own the rights to the music. The same goes for medicine - you buy the pills, but NOT the rights to reproduce them. If you buy a Colt Python and then start making copies and selling them, OR give them away, you are STEALING from Colt. You are taking away the profits that they deserve for designing the Python.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I still haven't heard a reason why it is justifiable to shut down entire websites instead of going after the dreaded pirates themselves. It doesn't make any sense. This really isn't about intellectual property. I haven't even given an opinion about the validity of intellectual property. I'm just of the opinion that if it is to be punished, this is a dead wrong approach.

It's called the law. I know you don't like it, but there it is. When you register a domain name (.com, .net, .org, .edu, etc.) as a condition of registeration you agree to certain terms and conditions. One of many of those terms is that you won't permit copyright infringement. If you do not agree to the term you cannot register the domain name. At the same time you agree to remedies if you fail to meet the terms of the contract. One of the remedies is that the owner of the domain tld (the federal government on behalf of the people of the United States of America in this case) may exercise their right to get a court order and seize the domain. Perfectly legal. Agreed upon in advance.

Who do you think the pirates are? They are the people who provide the service to facilitate the stealing, the people who provide the stuff to be stolen, and the people doing the stealing. They are equally guilty UNDER THE LAW.

It IS about intellectual property. It IS about stealing.

The question is, what gives them the right to punish websites who provide a medium that could conceivably be abused? Should Craigslist be shut down because Nigerian fraudsters and hookers like to use it? It makes no sense. Or the copy machine analogy. Why aren't we calling Xerox an "accessory to theft"? What is the acceptable ratio of legitimate copies to fraudulent copies? You can't punish and control innocent people in a society of just laws.

Who do you think owns websites? Do they just poof show up? No. People create them. In this case people who steal. They aren't punishing websites. They are punishing the people who create infringing websites. It sucks to be stupid. It sucks when you loos your stuff for being stupid.

DMCA. Read it.

They aren't innocent people. Read retort 1 to see how the process works.

Why does your argument hinge on calling the critics "libtards" or "anarchists"? Pardon me for not wanting to give Janet Napolitano more power... I guess it amounts to anarchy if some tyrant czar can't just kill the internet with a stroke of her pen. No cession of power is too great in the name of protecting the homeland!!

My argument doesn't hinge on calling anyone names. I can do just fine without it, but when you can't stay on point and focus for two sentences, won't listen to a thing anyone says, won't rationally process what you're told with reason, are unwilling to communicate without a litany of fallacies, you're a Libtard. If you aren't for the rule of law you are by definition an anarchist.

And BTW Janet Incompitano's not a czar. She was nominated and confirmed by the Senate. If we all at least use the correct terms we might begin to start an intelligent conversation.

You can build your strawmen and let your red herring fly all day long. I'll huff and puff and blow them all down. Or we can talk and debate. I'm good with debate. I like to learn. I've learned quite a bit here. More than happy to learn more.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I'm more concerned with the ugly question in the room, that's ignored (or lauded by certain people). Where is the due process? Where is the day in court? They just hacked into these people sites and shut them down (realistically, they stole them), without anything approaching due process. Guess some big government types like that kind of behaviour from the government. Me? Not so much.

You continue to show that you know nothing about this process. They don't hack into anything. That's a stupid thing to claim. They get a court order under the terms and conditions of registering the domain and redirect it to government servers. The domain owner has an opportunity to appeal the seizure, including going to court. You don't know what due process means. They got due process. Now they are suffering for stealing other people's property.

Oh, and I haven't asked or questioned how the process works because I know how the process works and I don't need to raise stupid questions that I can get the answer to by typing google.com into the address box of my browser. It's not an ugly question. It's honestly not too complicated at all if you take five minutes to look it up. Then you would know that no one hacked anything, no one stole anything, and no one was deprived of due process or anything else.

Just a side question. Why don't you spell like Americans do?

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

If some had their way, you'd have to send a payment to Dr. Suess's estate every time you did. Or you could buy a license allowing you to do it.

And that's how much you don't know. No you wouldn't have to send a payment to Dr. Suess' estate to read to us. If you put on a public performance you may have to have a performance license, and maybe even pay a performance fee. But even if they demanded a fee, why is it OK to appropriate someone else's property without compensation?

Thats what I'm thinking.

Go ahead and read it. I like the story.

 

[Lucas156]

Guys all I can say is SemperFiUSMC makes some pretty darn good points. I think the situation is being blown out of proportion.

 

[LEaSH]

I think it was never about illegal entertainment at all.

Considering that there will be many sensitive documents to be leaked in the near future, these torrent sites are being shut down as a symbol that there will be harrassment for those not cooperating with you know who.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Little by little they chisel away at our rights. They can do it because so many are okay with it. Just as long as they remain unaffected or they allow someone else to think for them.

 

[Wabatuckian]

Hello,

I tried to sign in to Limewire. I cannot. There is a notice on the program that they have been court ordered to cease all activity.

Ares is still up.

I have a huge CD collection - all bought and legal. I do not need to download songs or movies.

I use it mostly for freeware and shareware. This is one of the reasons I run such high security on this computer.

I go through CNET.com for the same sort of thing, as well as sourceforge.net .

Josh

 

[Loco179]

It's what you use to steal programs, songs, and movies from the Interznet. But wait, there's more. You can also download porn ranging from the very mild amateur show off stuff to hot midget babes to women with donkeys and of course every Libtard's dream, kiddie porn. Right there in the veritable safety of your own living room. No need to shop! No need to purchase! Your's free for the stealing.

Note: Most good torrent sites have a Z somewhere in the name. Or end in -ster. Or fire off multiple windows offering free porn. Or all the above. The really good ones even have virus protection to protect you from the virus that was just downloaded to your PC when you clicked Yes on the "Are you sure you don't need any Viagra" button.

They are most often run by underachieving pimple-faced 15 year script kiddies with nothing to do except try to crash the Interznet. From time to time one of those 15 year old will skip the I like girls phase and keep running their site into their late teens or 30s. At that point it's called a business, and the evil government hates business so they get shut down or have to move to New Zealand.

Ok let me chime in here for a few things. Here is the Wiki link to Bittorrent

BitTorrent (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically it is a way for large files to be transferred though single or multiple users. The programs themselves are very compact, easy to use and cover multiple operating systems. A vast majority of files are transferred this way.

Bittorrent is used by small companies like EA and Blizzard to transfer gaming files to users. It is the quickest and easiest way to transfer large files. It also saves companies millions on bandwith. Most of the time if you download a file online it is some type of torrent file. By the way windows update is a form of using Bittorrent.

A large majority of internet usage is the transfer of legal files using Bittorrent. They shut down a legal and legit tracker. A tracker is a website that index's torrent files. Most of the illegal content trackers are private and hosted in secret locations where the US government has little to no control. They basically are telling legit trackers you might as well host overseas and host illegal ****. By the way this type of hosting is cheaper and more secure than US hosting.

They are not solving the problem at all.

 

[rjstew317]

Little by little they chisel away at our rights. They can do it because so many are okay with it. Just as long as they remain unaffected or they allow someone else to think for them.

could you please show me in the constitution where it states that you have a right to steal from others.