Ignoring gender?

[Dirtebiker]

She is female with a man sized love for Smith and Wesson Revolvers.....

So, would I be gay if I said, that's my kind of woman!?

 

[churchmouse]

All I know is that I'm okay, and you're okay, and everyone is okay. And we shouldn't express negative opinions or call girls who like sports "tomboys," and that everyone should get a trophy. And if Tommy wants to wear snow boots to the beach he's just expressing himself and being an individual.

In all seriousness though, I always ask myself "how does this affect me?" If the answer is "it doesn't," then why should I care? Put on those high heels, shave your goatee, and have a good time!

I like the cut of your jib my boy....

 

[Dirtebiker]

Gender identity is who you are. Period. Full stop. End of sentence.

Is that one or four sentences?

 

[Dirtebiker]

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Now after a quick googlefu that's not what I found.
It seems the " safe zone is a place where one can feel free to talk about being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, allied, asexual or intersex without fear of criticism or hatred. It is a place where one can feel not only supported, but affirmed and valued.

Strait heterosexual seems to be missing from the college sites I looked at.

So maybe they ARE judgemental after all!?

 

[Dirtebiker]

Does that love cause any harm to anyone else..... no

It could!

 

[Dirtebiker]

It's not hypocrisy to say that a young male participating in Girl Scouts equally to any other biological girl of the same age is expressing his true self, while a pedophile molesting young girls is not actually expressing his true self, but rather is committing a heinous crime. If you can't see the daylight between those two scenarioes, you're either a liar or so blinded by your need for other people to behave according to your gender-based strictures that can't smell your own hypocrisy.

Why can't a pedophile express his "true self" AND commit a heinous crime at the same time!?

 

[Dirtebiker]

Of course you are! You're equating their pain and the very real, objectively documented, medicly treated harm done to them with the false pain and imagined harm of people who are merely exposed to transsexuals, young or old, behaving as regular human beings. It's the same argument used by proponents of anti-trans, so-called "bathroom bills". "Oh, I don't want my wife or daughter to see a MAN in the lady's room peeing!" And by MAN, they mean a male-to-female transsexual who is easily identifiable as such. The better ones are, "I don't want to have to explain that kind of— thing— to my impressionable little girl. She's too young to have to confront such— topics." As if that's harm on par with a pedophilic child rape.

I'm pretty sure back in the thread about the so called "transgender person" in the locker room of the gym. The problem that most people were talking about was NOT that trans people would/could use which ever bathroom/locker room they wanted,but that a pedophile or other kind of freak could use that as his/her/it's excuse to be in whichever bathroom/locker room that he/she wanted to for nefarious reasons.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Real. Objective. Harm.

Please cite any real, objective harm done to anyone by allowing a child born male to behave as a girl throughout her formative years, complete with full and equal participation in the GSUSA.

Could there be any harm or confusion when a young girl (who by the way, thinks she knows the difference between boys and girls) at Girl Scout camp discovers that one of her fellow(?) Girl Scouts is, or appears to be a boy?
or as I think you put it (in a very confusing paragraph) a male bodied female!?

 

[Dirtebiker]

Even for a moment, disgustingly, granting the idea of a "right" for a pedophile to engage in intercourse with children, there is a "balancing act" under the law, to weigh one person's rights against another person's rights. In this case, the "harm" done to the pedophile to confine his "true self" to private manual manipulation sessions (can we say masturbation on INGO?) is less harmful to him than would be the medical injuries done to the child with whom he engaged in sexual congress. The child's right not to be raped, therefore, trumps the pedophile's "right" to rape him.

I also reject the idea that rights as well as absolute codes of right and wrong can only come from a higher power. Human reason is the font of all true moral standards, even if it falters from time to time in various localities.

What if the pedophile wants to sit in a stall and just look at the children and enjoy "himself"? Do you have a problem with him/her now? Is he/she hurting the children? Is he/she expressing his/her/it's "true self"?

 

[Dirtebiker]

deflecting the issue I see...... what are your universal absolute rights and wrongs... since you believe they exist

Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean he believes one way or another.
Some of you don't seam to understand that.

 

[17 squirrel]

I think all bathrooms should be the same with the same toilet facilitys in both the men's, ladies and the family bathrooms. Condom and tampon machines as
well with urinals in all three. That way the all the Ladies get to share when a transgendered m to f that has not had surgery can lift up her dress and wipp duke out and use the urinal and everyone gets to watch. And like most of the little boys rooms no partitions between urinals.. And we will see how the ladies do with seeing a bunch of weiner's in the mirror get shaken off when finished peeing while washing there hands. Plus let's not forget the adolescent girls....that would be interesting ....... Equality is as simple as hanging a few urinals on the wall.

 

[Dirtebiker]

It very likely has something to do with the fact that many men have wive's and daughters. Men are psychologically programmed as "protectors"; protectors of their family, protectors of their home, protectors of everything around them (in general). I can tell you I'd happily and willingly lay down my life to protect my family from harm, whether it be financial, physical, or psychological if laying down my life is what it would take. I would imagine that the great deal of consternation comes from the fact that, even if "experts claim" a transgender individual is not a risk to a woman, the man, the protector, still perceives it as a threat. Why would he perceive that as a threat? What is the threat? Most of it is likely upbringing and societal influence and it will take generations to change. That being said, I feel there are legitimate threats. A parent should have the right to determine when the sex talk is appropriate and until that time we don't expose our children to things that would necessitate an advancement of that time window. Yet a transgender person in a locker-room setting etc could necessitate that. What harm could come from that? I'm no mental health expert so I can't say for certain, but it could likely be the fact that the girl isn't ready to face those facts of life. For the same reason we don't drive and vote until a certain age, our brains take time to mature to a certain point of truly understanding things like this. Another threat could be the mentally unstable person that wants to be transgender for nefarious purposes. Yes, it's exceedingly rare, but it's not out of the realm of possibility; society has shown us that the length at which mentally ill people will go to fulfill their desires has no bounds. Remember the guy that crawled into the pit of the outhouse at a state/local park a while ago just to get a peek at the bottom side of women? Don't tell me it's not possible for a man to pose as transgender and use the women's lockerroom for nefarious purposes.

The very same way you say that some people are "programmed" differently, despite being in the wrong body, many individuals are programmed with the primal instincts, like that of the male protector. Just like it's the very nature of a person "programmed" to be a woman, but living in a man's body, it's my very instinct to say, "I don't want that person around my wife/daughter because harm could possibly result from it." Thus, this issue is born and the answer is a VERY delicate balancing act that must be carefully weighed depending on MANY variables.

I don't know what the solution is; I don't know if this LGBT thing is a mental illness, people being led astray, or if it's really true that a person can be born into the wrong body; I'm not here to debate that. I can only attest to what my feelings/thoughts are. I can tell you that my rights don't trump another person's rights, like theirs don't trump mine. They must work in conjunction. The unfortunate thing about this is that isn't good enough for most people in the LGBT community; they want absolute superiority of their rights over my rights.

Yes, I realize I'm in over my head on the background knowledge of the mental illness issues and how these things effect a child's brain, I'm simply throwing out a possible answer to your question.

I can tell you what would make me more comfortable as the protector of my daughter/wife as this movement continues to grow. Private bathrooms, locker-rooms, etc for all individuals that don't have matching sexual orientation/born-gender would completely circumvent the issues of public restrooms/changing/showering etc. That doesn't solve the other issues though, and I'm not sure that would ever happen because the LGBT community would have an out-cry about how their right to just feel like a normal women/man etc is being trampled (when in fact they will never truly be "normal"). Now I don't say that with any dislike, hate, or with an offensive intention, it is simply my feelings, I have a right to have and express my feelings. That being said, I have friends in the LGBT community and I love/respect them just as much as any other person. I simply disagree with their stance on many issues. That is what makes us all individuals...

Well said!

 

[Dirtebiker]

I like the cut of your jib my boy....

Reported!
You don't know if jsharman is a boy today!

 

[churchmouse]

Reported!
You don't know if jsharman is a boy today!

Well, the last time I saw him he was.
If that has changed since then I will stand corrected.
But I doubt it.....

 

[Dirtebiker]

Well, the last time I saw him he was.
If that has changed since then I will stand corrected.
But I doubt it.....

 

[churchmouse]

The avatar seems appropriate to the thread.....

 

[jsharmon7]

Well, the last time I saw him he was.
If that has changed since then I will stand corrected.
But I doubt it.....

 

[AA&E]

You are trying to say that transgender people will all eventually grab a black rifle and shoot up their workplace?

No, I am saying this person had mental issues.

 

[AA&E]

i don't understand how a description of one individual's demeanor gets morphed into a blanket criticsm of all individuals with the same sexual orientation.

i didn't interpret an inference that "all" transgender people were creepy - simply the one the poster had direct contact with.

Thank you, some people have difficult comprehending statements or intentionally attempt to misconstrue...

 

[AA&E]

Sexual orientation is who you are attracted to.
Gender identity is who you are. Period. Full stop. End of sentence.

I won't disagree with that. In the instance of the man I worked with, pre sexual reassignment he was dating a woman. They continued dating after the reassignment. They also had sperm frozen so they could reproduce at sometime down the road. I question the ability for a child to be raised in this environment without experiencing some level of issues. To what degree I can't determine. I do know kids are damn mean. They will ridicule a child because his parents can't afford to send him to school in name brand clothing. They sure as hell would torment a child growing up in these arrangements.