"I can't breathe....Breathe Easy"

[Dead Duck]

Some still have it (all occupations) but its not nearly like it used to be.

A little off-topic, anybody hear about the soldier killing the ladyboy in the Philipines?

Did he find her Frank? I hate when that happens.

My dad was a flyboy in the Navy and he always said "When in doubt, Pull it out."
Words to live by.

 

[phylodog]

Until one of your brothers in blue with better character than you enforces upon you the laws you break but he obeys.

INGO taught me that never happens.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I don't think you're misinformed, I think you're being too simplistic. Your are looking at a numbers-net in the amount of laws now, vs the amount of laws in the past. I will admit there are certainly more laws/rules/regulations than in our past. But does the number or type of laws that hinder freedom? Let's say there were exactly 100 laws. If I eliminated one law that stated people could not leave the state without government approval, and you eliminated these 3 laws (Can't drive without a seatbelt, Can't drive with an open container of alcohol, Can't have kids in the car without being in a carseat) which do you think would mean more to people in terms of actual liberty? By raw numbers, you have done away with more rules, but in terms of freedom, the law I did away with means more, much more. Do you not agree?

I know exactly what you mean. One of the laws you heralded as expanding liberty has resulted in over 50 million deaths since the SCOTUS ruled it the law of the land. Yes, some laws are more proportionate to liberty than others. Too bad most of those 50 million (a disproportionate number of them black) never got a chance to enjoy the new found liberties brought about in the 20th century.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I know exactly what you mean. One of the laws you heralded as expanding liberty has resulted in over 50 million deaths since the SCOTUS ruled it the law of the land. Yes, some laws are more proportionate to liberty than others. Too bad most of those 50 million (a disproportionate number of them black) never got a chance to enjoy the new found liberties brought about in the 20th century.

I'm a pro-choicer. You may not consider it liberty, but I do. We can simply disagree.

 

[HoughMade]

I'm a pro-choicer. You may not consider it liberty, but I do. We can simply disagree.

One and last thing I'll say on this subject in this thread.

Liberty starts with the right to not be killed. That the DNA of the killer is close to that of the victim does not change that.

 

[Twangbanger]

Oh, I almost missed this...

-remember when stores were closed on Sundays (some still are...why do you think Indiana package liquor stores lobby for - and get - state-based protectionism...see #3 below)
-remember when you could be drafted (you still can be...make sure you register for selective service when you turn 18, btw)
-remember when you couldn't carry out alcohol on Sundays (in Indiana you still can't)
-remember when abortion was illegal (the Republicans aren't finished with this yet...they're just too busy helping the banks at the moment)
-remember when there was no such thing as a casino in Indiana (Wow...score 10 points for Freedom on that one. Tell me more about this "Casino Boat as Bastion of Liberty <<<insert photo of Gene Wilder in purple suit here <<<)
-remember when you couldn't physically resist unlawful entry (try it on the po-leets, and see how far you get...I guess "wrong house" = lawful)
-remember when media was more heavily censored (thanks NYPD Blue) (when I grew up, people of all colors laughed at Sanford and Son until it hurt...and based on your answer to #2, I'll assume HBO and Skinemax were already on the air before you were born)
-remember when public intox was simply being intoxicated in public (regardless of your actions) (Go try it...any weekend in Indy other than Black Expo, and see what happens)
-remember the AWB (remember the 200+ years before the AWB...before "your pal" Clinton, in other words?)
-remember when gay marriage was illegal (this is really the only point of your post).
-remember when jailbreaking a phone was illegal (remember when that phone wasn't the center of the average American's life? Silly me...of course you don't)
-remember when it was illegal to burn the flag (Got me there...when exactly was that? If you're stuck, and you probably are, Look up Texas vs. Johnson)
-remember when absinthe was illegal (I do, dagnabit) (I'll check it out when I celebrate my freedom at the Casino Boat - see #5).
-remember airline price regulation (I'm too busy studying new reams of healthcare regulation)
-remember restricted travel to Russia, China, and Vietnam (pick me up some Cohiba Robustos next time you're in Cuba)
-remember when books based on ideology were banned (Mao - 70s) (Catch 22 and gay marriage? Is that really all you got?) [/QUOTE]

 

[Kutnupe14]

1-remember when stores were closed on Sundays (some still are...why do you think Indiana package liquor stores lobby for - and get - state-based protectionism...see #3 below)
2-remember when you could be drafted (you still can be...make sure you register for selective service when you turn 18, btw)
3-remember when you couldn't carry out alcohol on Sundays (in Indiana you still can't)
4-remember when abortion was illegal (the Republicans aren't finished with this yet...they're just too busy helping the banks at the moment)
5-remember when there was no such thing as a casino in Indiana (Wow...score 10 points for Freedom on that one. Tell me more about this "Casino Boat as Bastion of Liberty <<<insert photo of Gene Wilder in purple suit here <<<)
6-remember when you couldn't physically resist unlawful entry (try it on the po-leets, and see how far you get...I guess "wrong house" = lawful)
7-remember when media was more heavily censored (thanks NYPD Blue) (when I grew up, people of all colors laughed at Sanford and Son until it hurt...and based on your answer to #2, I'll assume HBO and Skinemax were already on the air before you were born)
8-remember when public intox was simply being intoxicated in public (regardless of your actions) (Go try it...any weekend in Indy other than Black Expo, and see what happens)
9-remember the AWB (remember the 200+ years before the AWB...before "your pal" Clinton, in other words?)
10-remember when gay marriage was illegal (this is really the only point of your post).
11-remember when jailbreaking a phone was illegal (remember when that phone wasn't the center of the average American's life? Silly me...of course you don't)
12-remember when it was illegal to burn the flag (Got me there...when exactly was that? If you're stuck, and you probably are, Look up Texas vs. Johnson)
13-remember when absinthe was illegal (I do, dagnabit) (I'll check it out when I celebrate my freedom at the Casino Boat - see #5).
14-remember airline price regulation (I'm too busy studying new reams of healthcare regulation)
15-remember restricted travel to Russia, China, and Vietnam (pick me up some Cohiba Robustos next time you're in Cuba)
16-remember when books based on ideology were banned (Mao - 70s) (Catch 22 and gay marriage? Is that really all you got?)

Lol, huh? I numbered them for ya, so we better address these...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Lol, huh? I numbered them for ya, so we better address these...

Just some things, I thought I point out. (Lord knows if I addressed everything I'd be here forever)

1. some are, but MOST now can legally do so as they please = more freedom than before
3. Yeah, wrong... Microbreweries
7. Fail at understanding the difference between broadcast and cable TV
8. You lost me
12. Why would you ask me "when" this occurred? Funny, for you knowing so much, you didn't call me out on IC.

 

[mrortega]

In my lifetime i've seen the following changes.

Can't put leaves out for the trash man.
Can't burn trash in your back yard.
Can't sell gasoline with lead or without ethanol.
Can't buy cold medicine without paperwork.
Can't drive without a seatbelt.
Can't drive with an open container of alcohol.
Can't have kids in the car without being in a carseat.
Catch and keep a box turtle.
Can't send a box full of homemade cupcakes to your kids school.
Can't play with toy guns in the local park.

Can't buy dynamite at your neighborhood hardware store to blast out stumps or dig a cistern in shale.

 

[mrortega]

Yup...that's about it.

In the military, we had a thing called integrity...doing what's right even when no one is watching! Hopefully that is still the rule.

That and the threat of an Article 15!

 

[mrortega]

What would we expect from a so-called "Catholic" university that awarded an honorary degree to Barack O'bama?

 

[Kutnupe14]

What would we expect from a so-called "Catholic" university that awarded an honorary degree to Barack O'bama?

Universities love to give out honorary degrees. And FYI, Dubya has a honorary degree from that "Catholic" university too.

 

[mrortega]

Universities love to give out honorary degrees. And FYI, Dubya has a honorary degree from that "Catholic" university too.

As I recall W doesn't think it's okay to slaughter an unborn human being in the womb. Sorry you and Barry do.

 

[Kutnupe14]

As I recall W doesn't think it's okay to slaughter an unborn human being in the womb. Sorry you and Barry do.

Uhhhh... your post was clearly a knock on Norte Dame. Your dig at Barry was secondary. I simply pointed out Dubya ALSO got a honorary degree from Norte Dame.

 

[T.Lex]

It's us versus them. In every situation, you have to be an us or them. I'm having trouble keeping track of whether I'm an us or them.

[zen]
We are all "us" and we are all "them."
[/zen]

I am Spartacus.

(But not the Spartacus that got killed. Or the one that did anything that offended anyone. Definitely not the one that got banned. I don't want the mods to think these are multiple accounts. More like the middling kind of Spartacus that was just a decent guy. Yeah, I'm that one.)

 

[mrortega]

Uhhhh... your post was clearly a knock on Norte Dame. Your dig at Barry was secondary. I simply pointed out Dubya ALSO got a honorary degree from Norte Dame.

It was a knock on ND because of what they did for BO. Would you consider a supposed gun rights advocate to be true to his/her name if he supported gun confiscation? The same with supposedly being a "Catholic" university and giving an honorary to someone who is so diametrically opposed to one of the strongest and longest held doctrines of the Faith - that an unborn child is fully human.

 

[Henry]

ND is a Catholic University?


I thought ND took federal grants, accepted federal loans, followed all federal mandates, and accepted all the tentacles of the leviathan.


When did it become a Catholic University?

 

[Kutnupe14]

It was a knock on ND because of what they did for BO. Would you consider a supposed gun rights advocate to be true to his/her name if he supported gun confiscation? The same with supposedly being a "Catholic" university and giving an honorary to someone who is so diametrically opposed to one of the strongest and longest held doctrines of the Faith - that an unborn child is fully human.

I'm not Catholic, so I have no idea what the Pope dictates. And for the record, from my understanding Dubya was "ok" with abortions if rape or incest occurred. From the Pro-Lifers I know, that belief makes the person "Pro-Choice." A lot of "Pro-Lifers" hold that opinion.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm a pro-choicer. You may not consider it liberty, but I do. We can simply disagree.

Yeah, I know. There are now and have been many in the past that can rationalize their support and participation in many a Liberty robbing laws. They're easier to support when you view their victims as less than human.

 

[Expat]

Nothing spells freedom to a baby like having a large bore needle shoved into your head and then your brain sucked out.