How do you feel about the Tea Party Movement?

[SirRealism]

Constitution constructionalists believe in adhering to the original intent of our founders. It is fact that our founders didn't want just anybody voting. Hence the landowner requirement. We can't on one hand decry that the intent of the 2nd be for the right of the individual to bear arms without infringement and then dismiss other parts of the constitution because we don't agree with that particular part. Is requiring voters to be landowners the answer. I won't say yes but clearly those who can't figure out what month 9/11 happened shouldn't be voting. What is your solution for making people be informed before voting?

The requirement for land ownership was pretty much tied to the issue of slavery, wasn't it? We made a huge compromise (allowing slavery) at the time in order to keep all 13 colonies together. We don't want to return to slavery, nor to feudalism. Of course it makes sense to make sure or electorate is informed. Land ownership isn't the answer.

 

[LoveMyRuger]

Now, now....

You're here only to incite. TROLL!!!



If that doesn't work, I have a really good picture of a certain someone helping stain my deck. Ring a bell?

That is totally unrelated to the issue being discussed!!

 

[hornadylnl]

The requirement for land ownership was pretty much tied to the issue of slavery, wasn't it? We made a huge compromise (allowing slavery) at the time in order to keep all 13 colonies together. We don't want to return to slavery, nor to feudalism. Of course it makes sense to make sure or electorate is informed. Land ownership isn't the answer.

I don't think the landowner requirment was directed at slaves only. I know it isn't the best answer and no I don't want slavery returned either. The problem is that under our dear leader, the amount of people who don't pay federal income tax is going from 35 to 55 percent of the people. Now the have nots can rob the haves by simply voting democrat.

 

[SavageEagle]

Well, if we don't do something soon, there will be no have's. We will all be have not's except those with power.

"Please sir. Can I have a bread voucher? We used our only three for the month. I'll (insert demeaning act here)."

Yea, I'd rather not see this happen in this Country.

 

[SirRealism]

I don't think the landowner requirment was directed at slaves only. I know it isn't the best answer and no I don't want slavery returned either. The problem is that under our dear leader, the amount of people who don't pay federal income tax is going from 35 to 55 percent of the people. Now the have nots can rob the haves by simply voting democrat.

Rhetorically speaking ('cause I wouldn't support it, anyway), I'm guessing that you'll get a more educated (as in college degrees) electorate by requiring land ownership, but that won't translate into a more logical group.

I firmly believe there are plenty of wealthy, educated people who are *%#ing gaga over OBH and socialism. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little relationship between education and political common sense.

 

[Vigilant]

I don't think the landowner requirment was directed at slaves only. I know it isn't the best answer and no I don't want slavery returned either. The problem is that under our dear leader, the amount of people who don't pay federal income tax is going from 35 to 55 percent of the people. Now the have nots can rob the haves by simply voting democrat.

Land ownership is at least a decent start, renters pay no property tax per se, but influence who gets elected and raises those taxes they don't pay? BTW how do I get into the 55% and still own my chit? Also, what's wrong with Heinlein's version, citizens vote, but to be a citizen, compulsory service of some kind, be it military or civil?

 

[hornadylnl]

Well, if any of you believe in the philosophy espoused by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged, you'd know that our current system can't be fixed. By trying to fix it, you are only helping your enemy to destroy yourself.

I know what you are saying SR. Our academia is totally gaga over our dear leader. But there is something wrong with a system that allows a majority of cannibals to decide which of us outside of their group that they are going to eat. As our dear leader likes to say, people should have some skin in the game to participate. As far as putting restrictions on voting, it is perfectly legal. Look at the age requirement. I don't know for sure what restrictions need to be put in place but our current system is nothing but fail.

 

[hornadylnl]

Land ownership is at least a decent start, renters pay no property tax per se, but influence who gets elected and raises those taxes they don't pay? BTW how do I get into the 55% and still own my chit? Also, what's wrong with Heinlein's version, citizens vote, but to be a citizen, compulsory service of some kind, be it military or civil?

Last I heard, the bottom 50% earn about $30k or less per year. Renters do pay property tax through rent. Property taxes are higher on rentals than on primary residences. But when you take your average earned income credit recipient, they are receiving more in a tax refund than they pay out in state, local, federal, SS and other taxes. Add in all the other money they get from social programs, they are a net drain on our tax dollars. These are the people who will be in the majority and take even more of your money.

 

[model67a]

internet

Obama used the internet to get elected, but now individuals are using the internet to find out that other people think exactly the way they do. Before they may have thought that they were the only one's who thought they were getting screwed by the government, but with the internet they are finding that other people recognize it too. There used to be a lot of small groups who thought that way, but the internet is making it more of a large organized group(NRA,GOA,etc.) The internet is what raised Obama up but the internet will also bring him down. The news media is not neccessarily the major conveyor of the news at present, the internet is, so the news of these Tea Parties are getting out. stay safe

 

[Joe Williams]

Constitution constructionalists believe in adhering to the original intent of our founders. It is fact that our founders didn't want just anybody voting. Hence the landowner requirement. We can't on one hand decry that the intent of the 2nd be for the right of the individual to bear arms without infringement and then dismiss other parts of the constitution because we don't agree with that particular part. Is requiring voters to be landowners the answer. I won't say yes but clearly those who can't figure out what month 9/11 happened shouldn't be voting. What is your solution for making people be informed before voting?

They also held slavery to be both moral, and Constitutional. Since the elitism and tyranny you continue to support is historically linked to slavery, I must ask why you feel worthy of owning slaves. Do you REALLY think you are that much better than your fellow Americans? Or don't you regard the poor as Americans at all?

 

[jeremy]

Joe I don't think Hornadylnl is talking of becoming a slave nation again. I know I am not referring to that when I reference a vetting process to vote. It does not matter what model you use. Use the Heinlein model of Military Service as the vetting process. It is not about elitsm or tyranny. It is more about forcing the vote upon those that have an interest in the direction this country goes.

As for your comment about poor Americans. The difference between me and them is I worked my way out of that trap. It was a hard climb, but very atainable. So pick a different tack for that sail line. Not a valid point of arguememnt.

 

[Steelman]

Joe I don't think Hornadylnl is talking of becoming a slave nation again. I know I am not referring to that when I reference a vetting process to vote. It does not matter what model you use. Use the Heinlein model of Military Service as the vetting process. It is not about elitsm or tyranny. It is more about forcing the vote upon those that have an interest in the direction this country goes.

As for your comment about poor Americans. The difference between me and them is I worked my way out of that trap. It was a hard climb, but very atainable. So pick a different tack for that sail line. Not a valid point of arguememnt.

Restricting a right to vote would be a ¨last straw¨ for me and would be fertile ground for ¨that which cannot be discussed on this forum¨. Have you seen Starship Troopers one too many times?


¨Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?¨


When Obama suggested mandatory service in a Civilian Corps you guys went insane!

 

[jeremy]

Then figure out a way for the masses to use their brains for something more than a hat rack.

Our country is being flushed down the toilet of life. Why because the Government can take care of all your problems, here is your check. You are going to vote for me right?...

Our political system needs an enema...

There has to be a way to change this peacefully. How, or what that is I do not know.

Peacefully handling a course of a country is not my tasking in this life, nor something I care for. I like to sleep at night with out feeling slimy from working in politics...

 

[Steelman]

Then figure out a way for the masses to use their brains for something more than a hat rack.

Our country is being flushed down the toilet of life. Why because the Government can take care of all your problems, here is your check. You are going to vote for me right?...

Our political system needs an enema...

There has to be a way to change this peacefully. How, or what that is I do not know.

Peacefully handling a course of a country is not my tasking in this life, nor something I care for. I like to sleep at night with out feeling slimy from working in politics...

I like the way you think, Jeremy, but you forget that if a system like yours was implemented today WE would lose the right to vote. If Obama implemented a vetting process, he would be brain-dead not to only allow the right to registered Democrats.


Itś madness, but I believe the system is working as designed. We have little pet issues like guns, abortion, religion and sexual orientation that keeps us focused on criticizing one another and not the root of the problem. We´re so distracted by blue and red, Republican and Democrat, Christian and Muslim that we never saw the politician´s sleight of hand. The United States political system utilizes better misdirection and smoke/mirrors than any Vegas magician.

 

[Rampant Pony]

We need to make this a real political party.

 

[jeremy]

I like the way you think, Jeremy, but you forget that if a system like yours was implemented today WE would lose the right to vote. If Obama implemented a vetting process, he would be brain-dead not to only allow the right to registered Democrats.


Itś madness, but I believe the system is working as designed. We have little pet issues like guns, abortion, religion and sexual orientation that keeps us focused on criticizing one another and not the root of the problem. We´re so distracted by blue and red, Republican and Democrat, Christian and Muslim that we never saw the politician´s sleight of hand. The United States political system utilizes better misdirection and smoke/mirrors than any Vegas magician.

True.

We have been slipping into socialism for my entire lifetime. With each and every generation saying we need to do something about it. Or saying this program is good for the poor, or for the children, or for pick your cause of the moment it the name doesn't matter. That is going to be what kills this country. People voting out of ignorance. The political sleight of hand stuff has been going on far longer than civilization.

It is all ready getting difficult for people like me to live here. We were a country of Rifleman. We shaped this country into what it is not the people in the suits on the Hill. Out of ignorance the last couple of generations have voted our way of life pretty much away. Why?!

You don't like the idea of Land Ownership as a requirement. Nor the idea of Military Service as a requirement. How about just a simple f*cking IQ test... If you can not name the 2 cities that had planes crashed into them in 9/11 that should be a sign.

Just my .

 

[SavageEagle]

More people voting, still fewer commenting...

 

[hornadylnl]

They also held slavery to be both moral, and Constitutional. Since the elitism and tyranny you continue to support is historically linked to slavery, I must ask why you feel worthy of owning slaves. Do you REALLY think you are that much better than your fellow Americans? Or don't you regard the poor as Americans at all?

Joe, I hope you did a warm up before this because you were sure to pull a hammy if not. Just about every issue brought up here, you take the opposite opinion that I do. You rail against jack booted thug murdering ATF agents and believe that every single agent to have ever served is responsible for the first degree murder of the Weavers but are okay with bored cops pissing on the spirit of the 4th amendment and fishing for arrests. You support the intrusion of the census.

Because I don't want brain dead idiots to vote away my GOD given freedoms, I'm bidding for slaves at the auction block.

 

[SavageEagle]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA6iEvBaddw]YouTube - INdependence Day Tea Party July 4th, 2009 @ White River State Park[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGtCj0HixzM]YouTube - Richard Mourdock - Indianapolis Independence Day Tea Party[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdqpFpTF-4]YouTube - Tarah De Staic Speaks at the Indianapolis Independence Day Tea Party 2009 (PART 1 0f 2)[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzXXRmLPU70]YouTube - Chicks on the Right at the Indianapolis Independence Day Tea Party 2009[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8dmghZKylw]YouTube - Indianapolis Independence Day Tea Party 2009[/ame]

Now, after watching these videos, can you still call us racists? Whiners? Extremists? Lazy? Stupid? Paranoid? Loonies?

These are everyday people. Some have never protested anything in their lives. Sure. The loonies racists and extremeists are going to find a group, most likely ours, and go with it pushing their message too.

This is good for two reasons... First, It makes known the issues that everyday people face, and shows what matters to people. Second, while they have a cause, we are all united for a same cause. Too Much Government. Period. Regardless what your other concerns are, they are part of the biggest picture, not the most important picture.

You don't see the people on this stage talking about the Masons, NWO, nothing racist is coming out of their mouth, and no fear mongering. These people are talking about the overstepping of government, in a non-partisian fashion, composed of one of the most diverse groups of people. From all walks of life.

Search "Independence Day Tea Party" on YouTube and see the masses all gathering for the same cause, regardless of race, religion, language, party politics, pet projects. These people have their own seperate agendas, but choose to come together for the good of their Countrymen. Some have no idea why they're there except that they want to learn about what's going on. Maybe at the rally, maybe to their Country. Either way, they're open minded and open to hearing both sides.

I met a couple in their 80's there fully behind us. I met some guys from Oath Keepers who were really great guys, but very aware about our situation. I met a bunch of families who brought their kids out and their kids sometimes knew more about certain things than their parents.

Then you had Tish's Kids who would rather hang out at the mall, but hey, can't win em all!

Either way...

I just wanted to show everyone who hasn't seen the videos what was going on. That we're not all these bad things we're being described as. We are just everyday normal people who see what's going on in this Country.

 

[Joe Williams]

Joe, I hope you did a warm up before this because you were sure to pull a hammy if not. Just about every issue brought up here, you take the opposite opinion that I do. You rail against jack booted thug murdering ATF agents and believe that every single agent to have ever served is responsible for the first degree murder of the Weavers but are okay with bored cops pissing on the spirit of the 4th amendment and fishing for arrests. You support the intrusion of the census.

Because I don't want brain dead idiots to vote away my GOD given freedoms, I'm bidding for slaves at the auction block.

Hate to break it to you, but to many of your fellow Americans (you know, the people you think of as "brain dead idiots,") YOU are the one who meets that description. To any of the people on the left who look at the fact you feel the need to carry a gun, you qualify by default.

Oh, well. At least you have something in common with our Dear Leader. You both have an extreme disdain for the American people, and you both think you should be allowed to decide who gets to be free, and who doesn't.