Hostage Shot By Police

[Hayseed_40]

Carmel, and if getting a summons to appear is your idea of being "hemmed up," then.... well.... uh.... you may be taking things too seriously.

Maybe they put the summons on his neck as they stomped on it??

 

[Kutnupe14]

Maybe they put the summons on his neck as they stomped on it??

Not in Carmel, we have to gift wrap them and deliver them with imported German Chocolates.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

You know that's what would happen, and then all the only cops are trained enough nonsense would start etc. Heck, a guy in where was it, Fishers fired a warning shot at a dog and the police hemmed him up, a cop lights up a puppy 8 times and gets to give the family tickets.

So what you are saying is you don't have any examples.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So what you are saying is you don't have any examples.

Here's one...

Homeowner accidentally shoots off-duty deputy who was touring home for sale | khou.com Houston

SAN ANOTNIO -- An off-duty Bexar County Sheriff's deputy was shot in the shoulder Wednesday evening.
The shooting happened in the 2600 block of Grayson Way near Thousand Oaks.
The deputy was in regular clothes and was with his wife, a real-estate agent, who was showing a home to a client, said Paul Berry, Bexar County Sheriff's Office spokesperson.

No charges filed... I mean, no one was "hemmed up."

 

[Destro]

One thing that is actually being missed about this whole fiasco, is that this same department recently paid out a multi-million dollar settlement due to officers NOT intervening during a somewhat similar situiation, where a boyfriend ended up killing his girlfriend. This is a classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

And I'm loving the the criticism here... as if the perp was a paper target that gets shot multiple times and remains perfectly still. The guy put 7 rounds in the BG, during a high stress situation, with an eighth unfortunately killing the hostage. I've SEEN the shape of some of our members here, I can't imagine many could run a 1/4 mile, be handed a gun, and put rounds sufficiently on a target 15 yrds away.... let alone having the actual stress of a life or death situation..... in such case....

"Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, cause they shootin' up everybody out here."

all kinds of win happening here

 

[public servant]

You know that's what would happen...

It sounds like you need to take it up with prosecutors. A cop isn't the one who would make the decision whether or not an individual would be charged.

 

[ChristMinded]

You know that's what would happen, and then all the only cops are trained enough nonsense would start etc. Heck, a guy in where was it, Fishers fired a warning shot at a dog and the police hemmed him up, a cop lights up a puppy 8 times and gets to give the family tickets.

Is this what you were thinking about? Carmel, Ind I believe

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...nse/114140-bad_experience_with_carmel_pd.html

 

[public servant]

Here's one...

Homeowner accidentally shoots off-duty deputy who was touring home for sale | khou.com Houston

Did you see the comment? Must be a member here.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Did you see the comment? Must be a member here.

Ha, I just saw it... yep, that's the world we live in

 

[alexanjl12]

I've SEEN the shape of some of our members here, I can't imagine many could run a 1/4 mile, be handed a gun, and put rounds sufficiently on a target 15 yrds away.... let alone having the actual stress of a life or death situation..... in such case....

Hey now! I would imagine he DROVE to the scene, so the fact of whether or not I still have any breath left or the ability to make accurate shots after running 1/4 mile should not be allowed as comparison.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Hey now! I would imagine he DROVE to the scene, so the fact of whether or not I still have any breath left or the ability to make accurate shots after running 1/4 mile should not be allowed as comparison.

Contrar my good sir. The stress would easily trump the physical exertion.

 

[drillsgt]

One thing that is actually being missed about this whole fiasco, is that this same department recently paid out a multi-million dollar settlement due to officers NOT intervening during a somewhat similar situiation, where a boyfriend ended up killing his girlfriend. This is a classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

And I'm loving the the criticism here... as if the perp was a paper target that gets shot multiple times and remains perfectly still. The guy put 7 rounds in the BG, during a high stress situation, with an eighth unfortunately killing the hostage. I've SEEN the shape of some of our members here, I can't imagine many could run a 1/4 mile, be handed a gun, and put rounds sufficiently on a target 15 yrds away.... let alone having the actual stress of a life or death situation..... in such case....

"Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, cause they shootin' up everybody out here."

Hey, round is a shape!

 

[drillsgt]

So what you are saying is you don't have any examples.

No, I just live in the real world and don't deny that a double standard exists. With this guy it's all he did the best he could, or you weren't there etc etc., you know if this was a non-leo it would be he should have waited for the police etc. or this is what happens when you have untrained people with guns. It would be an anti-gunners wet dream. When it all washes out in the end if it was a non-leo he would probably be all right but the treatment and attitudes would be totally different.

 

[drillsgt]

Carmel, and if getting a summons to appear is your idea of being "hemmed up," then.... well.... uh.... you may be taking things too seriously.

I bet the guy that got a summons might disagree.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

No, I just live in the real world and don't deny that a double standard exists. With this guy it's all he did the best he could, or you weren't there etc etc., you know if this was a non-leo it would be he should have waited for the police etc. or this is what happens when you have untrained people with guns. It would be an anti-gunners wet dream. When it all washes out in the end if it was a non-leo he would probably be all right but the treatment and attitudes would be totally different.

So people can talk all the **** they want about the officer because some think he ****ed up, but if a non-LEO does something (that you can't provide an example of) and people talk **** about them, its not ok. Doesn't that count as a double standard?

 

[public servant]

When it all washes out in the end if it was a non-leo he would probably be all right but the treatment and attitudes would be totally different.

But because this time it's LE he'll receive that treatment and attitude from you and the other regulars though, right?

Hypocrisy at it's best.

 

[drillsgt]

So people can talk all the **** they want about the officer because some think he ****ed up, but if a non-LEO does something (that you can't provide an example of) and people talk **** about them, its not ok. Doesn't that count as a double standard?

This doesn't even make any sense. I didn't say you can't say anything if a non-leo was involved in a shoot, people MMQ those all the time here as well (hello, Zimmerman). I was just talking about this particular incidence and if it had been a non-leo it would have been viewed a lot differently. I've been careful in my posts in this case and haven't said anything really that critical towards the officer's actions. But I guess in the end none of us could have done any worse.

 

[drillsgt]

But because this time it's LE he'll receive that treatment and attitude from you and the other regulars though, right?

Hypocrisy at it's best.

I really haven't been that critical of him so i'm not sure what you're referring to? I haven't heard a good account yet of what happened, how was she in a headlock? Was she upright face to face with him or in the more traditional headlock where her face would be lower toward his chest or stomach? Did he turn as he was getting shot which pulled her into the incoming fire? Maybe he was just a victim of training that as soon as he saw the gun he just started unloading COM until the threat was down like all those times on the range? I don't know. So to you too. It's probably safe to say if this was a non-leo put in this situation he wouldn't have been given such a pass.

 

[public servant]

You know that's what would happen

When it all washes out in the end if it was a non-leo he would probably be all right

if it had been a non-leo it would have been viewed a lot differently.

It's probably safe to say if this was a non-leo put in this situation he wouldn't have been given such a pass.

Make up your mind rather than just spewing BS. Which is it?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

This doesn't even make any sense. I didn't say you can't say anything if a non-leo was involved in a shoot, people MMQ those all the time here as well (hello, Zimmerman). I was just talking about this particular incidence and if it had been a non-leo it would have been viewed a lot differently. I've been careful in my posts in this case and haven't said anything really that critical towards the officer's actions. But I guess in the end none of us could have done any worse.

Go ahead, be critical. You were obviously there and know exactly how things went down.