Hearing set for same-sex wedding cake dispute in Oregon

[mrjarrell]

How is the government of the state, who are enforcing a law they have on the books the "gaystapo"? Are they also the "blackstapo"? Or maybe the "womanstapo"? They are upholding their state law. While I disagree with the sentence handed down and the law, the bakery broke the law, as legislated by the people they elected. Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

 

[HoughMade]

....Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

I'll be remembering this quote for future use.

 

[jamil]

How is the government of the state, who are enforcing a law they have on the books the "gaystapo"? Are they also the "blackstapo"? Or maybe the "womanstapo"? They are upholding their state law. While I disagree with the sentence handed down and the law, the bakery broke the law, as legislated by the people they elected. Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

I assume it refers to militant gay rights activists who aggressively pressure government bodies and bakeries into capitulating, through public ridicule and a sympathetic press. I've never heard the term before but it does seem appropriate.

 

[Joe G]

How is the government of the state, who are enforcing a law they have on the books the "gaystapo"? Are they also the "blackstapo"? Or maybe the "womanstapo"? They are upholding their state law. While I disagree with the sentence handed down and the law, the bakery broke the law, as legislated by the people they elected. Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

I'll be remembering this quote for future use.

LOL... Like actually enforcing existing immigration laws? Or the fact that FEDERAL law still has marijuana as an illegal drug? Or most of California ignoring deportation orders if they don't want to? Etc etc etc... I see how MJ's side doesn't always enforce laws they may not agree with.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

LOL... Like actually enforcing existing immigration laws? Or the fact that FEDERAL law still has marijuana as an illegal drug? Or most of California ignoring deportation orders if they don't want to? Etc etc etc... I see how MJ's side doesn't always enforce laws they may not agree with.

C'mon, man! You're not supposed to NOTICE that hypocrisy!

 

[Joe G]

C'mon, man! You're not supposed to NOTICE that hypocrisy!

Oops. My bad. Let me grab a cool pitcher of Obama® Brand Kool Aid to fix that.

 

[mrjarrell]

I'll be remembering this quote for future use.

I don't use purple. But you're free to remember the words you guys are always spouting.

 

[jamil]

How is the government of the state, who are enforcing a law they have on the books the "gaystapo"? Are they also the "blackstapo"? Or maybe the "womanstapo"? They are upholding their state law. While I disagree with the sentence handed down and the law, the bakery broke the law, as legislated by the people they elected. Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

I don't use purple. But you're free to remember the words you guys are always spouting.

So you're definitely against nullification in all cases? Because, if "it depends", it's kinda hard to make the bold statement. So is that the one you'd purple if you purpled?

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I would not even waste my time with that old school purple....I would go right to the FLAMING HOT PINK!

 

[cobber]

How is the government of the state, who are enforcing a law they have on the books the "gaystapo"? Are they also the "blackstapo"? Or maybe the "womanstapo"? They are upholding their state law. While I disagree with the sentence handed down and the law, the bakery broke the law, as legislated by the people they elected. Don't like the law? Work to change it, obey it or move.

It doesn't appear to be a law, but a regulation.

Hint: it was not legislated, if Oregon practices admin law like most States that have copied the federal APA.

Do you know how to change a regulation?

Not a very easy thing to do, and not easy at all to fight in court. All uphill.

 

[jamil]

It doesn't appear to be a law, but a regulation.

Hint: it was not legislated, if Oregon practices admin law like most States that have copied the federal APA.

Do you know how to change a regulation?

Not a very easy thing to do, and not easy at all to fight in court. All uphill.

Yeah, vote for someone who will change it. Fat chance of that.

 

[cobber]

Yeah, vote for someone who will change it. Fat chance of that.

Regulations continue to pile up, like barnacles, until the ship of state founders. Each one seemingly insignificant, by itself.

 

[mrjarrell]

It doesn't appear to be a law, but a regulation.

Hint: it was not legislated, if Oregon practices admin law like most States that have copied the federal APA.

Do you know how to change a regulation?

Not a very easy thing to do, and not easy at all to fight in court. All uphill.

It's not a regulation. It's the law.

ORS 659A.403 - Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited - 2013 Oregon Revised Statutes

[h=1]§ 659A.403¹
Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited
[/h] (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not prohibit:
(a) The enforcement of laws governing the consumption of alcoholic beverages by minors and the frequenting by minors of places of public accommodation where alcoholic beverages are served; or
(b) The offering of special rates or services to persons 50 years of age or older.
(3) It is an unlawful practice for any person to deny full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation in violation of this section. [Formerly 30.670; 2003 c.521 §1; 2005 c.131 §1; 2007 c.100 §5]

 

[mrjarrell]

Interesting look at the trial. Seems the gay couple had their personal info put out in public by the bakery. That explains the big payday for them. They received death threats and almost lost custody of their children.

Halfway through Sweet Cakes by Melissa hearing, new disclosures emerge in discrimination case | OregonLive.com

 

[rambone]

Here's what Will Grigg had to say about that.

"[Laurel Bowman-Cryer] filed her complaint by smartphone, which prevented her from seeing a disclaimer notifying her that her full name and address would be sent to the bakery owners – and Aaron Klein shared that information, along with the complaint, on his personal Facebook page."

Klein had no legal obligation to withhold that information, which was publicly available in any case.

If there was a delinquency here it was on the part of the Oregon DOJ -- which, we should recall, still legally discriminated against same-sex couples at the time the Kleins turned down the business proposal.

The Kleins endured harassment, ridicule, and threats as well, and they weren't the aggressors in this matter.

 

[rambone]

Yes, the Kleins Were Fined for Not Baking a Cake

That claim is directly refuted by the text of the Final Order itself, which made it explicit and undeniable that the Kleins were being punished solely because of their refusal to provide the “service” sought by the same-sex couple (see page 41, lines 8-10):

“In this case, the ALJ [Administrative Law Judge] proposed that $75,000 and $60,000 are appropriate awards to compensate Complainants RBS and LBS, respectively, for the emotional suffering they experienced from Respondents’ denial of service.” (Emphasis added.) The same bloated and melodramatic document connects the various symptoms of “emotional suffering” directly to the discrimination claim and the resulting publicity — but no honest or rational person can deny that the latter was directly caused by the former.

 

[rambone]

Eugene Volokh:

No, the Oregon bakers weren’t fined for publishing the complainant’s home address

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Oregon bakery owners pay more than $135G in damages over refusal to make cake for gay wedding | Fox News

 

[printcraft]

"Sweet Cakes"........ ironic.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's all about force.

Costly beliefs: State squeezes last penny from bakers who defied lesbian-wedding cake order | Fox News