Hamas Launches Infiltration, Rocket Attack on Israel

[thunderchicken]

Our greatest mistake was not charging allies, either in currency or manufacturing, for the military protection that allows them to have their socialist utopias.

Israel, for example, would simply not be allowed to exist without the power projection capabilities of the US making everyone wary of encouraging our wrath. Instead of them paying us for this, we pay them.

I've never understood why we never leverage other countries for something in return for our protection. Giving aid and protection to an ally, is fine with me. But, like any relationship there has to be some mutual give and take.
I for one am just not sure I can see where we ever receive from all of our giving.

Now, as far as aid to countries who absolutely hate us, well that just doesn't make sense. If they are in humanitarian crisis and in need of support, I can maybe see sending a couple train cars of food and water etc. But, we should never be giving them cash or any resources that can be used against us. Money never gets used for it's intended purpose and always bites us in the ass.

 

[KG1]

Not what I was saying at all. Merely stating the fact that it was WW2 that pulled us out of the Great Depression. Not a hard concept to reaad what I wrote.

I read what you wrote. It wasn't just about your comment I was going back further than that in addressing context as well.

 

[Hawkeye]

I read what you wrote. It wasn't just about your comment I was going back further than that in addressing context as well.

Then why quote me aas if you were reading something else into it? If you want to go off on a tangent that's your business. Just don't try to draw me into your rant.

 

[KG1]

Then why quote me aas if you were reading something else into it? If you want to go off on a tangent that's your business. Just don't try to draw me into your rant.

K

 

[phylodog]

It must be like living in a vast sphere with a mirror on the inside that only reflects images of themselves and their surroundings.

That's much more pleasant than how I imagine living in that cesspool to be.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Flyover country = flyover people.
Something to harvest / use to get what they want but not really important.

 

[INPatriot]

I've never understood why we never leverage other countries for something in return for our protection. Giving aid and protection to an ally, is fine with me. But, like any relationship there has to be some mutual give and take.
I for one am just not sure I can see where we ever receive from all of our giving.

Now, as far as aid to countries who absolutely hate us, well that just doesn't make sense. If they are in humanitarian crisis and in need of support, I can maybe see sending a couple train cars of food and water etc. But, we should never be giving them cash or any resources that can be used against us. Money never gets used for it's intended purpose and always bites us in the ass.

That's about as sound a foreign policy platform as one can have.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I've never understood why we never leverage other countries for something in return for our protection. Giving aid and protection to an ally, is fine with me. But, like any relationship there has to be some mutual give and take.
I for one am just not sure I can see where we ever receive from all of our giving.

Now, as far as aid to countries who absolutely hate us, well that just doesn't make sense. If they are in humanitarian crisis and in need of support, I can maybe see sending a couple train cars of food and water etc. But, we should never be giving them cash or any resources that can be used against us. Money never gets used for it's intended purpose and always bites us in the ass.

Oh, there is enrichment coming back this direction. It would explain why these politicians get so rich.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Oh, there is enrichment coming back this direction. It would explain why these politicians get so rich.

They got Crypto-Madoff locked up, but I'm sure the money laundering continues.

 

[Shadow01]

it's kind of hard to lobby for ramping up the military industrial complex to prepare for war and "save our economy" and be against the military industrial complex and our foreign military entanglements. How does that jibe?

How bout instead we stay out of foreign entanglements and get foreign countries to take a bigger role in the military defense of their own sphere. Curtail all of the of the foreign and domestic expenditures, give incentives to bring back manufacturing and fair trade, enact energy independence instead of hamstringing us by genuflecting to the globalist climate change cabal., secure the borders and invest all of that money into our economy.

Like him or not it seems like we were on that prosperous path with the predecessor of the current POTATUS. Everything the Biden Admin has done has been destructive to our economy.

You have to stay out foreign politics first before you can stay out of foreign entanglements

 

[KG1]

You have to stay out foreign politics first before you can stay out of foreign entanglements

Indeed. Medling in foreign politics and I would add to that centuries old cultures leads to foreign entanglements.

 

[ditcherman]

What pigs? I started hearing Black Sabbath in my head (it's Paranoid, but that's the right album) so I figured you meant War Pigs.

I am pro-pig, the kind that gives us bacon of course.

Sorry thank you fixed, yes War Pigs, and not just the song but definitely a reference to it.

ETA and if you’d like an even darker version of it check out Puddles Pity Party cover.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Dagestan, Russia
Locals are stopping cars searching for Jews. Police is ignoring. (a planeload of Israeli refugees landed shortly before)

https://fb.watch/n_mOzVvw3M/

 

[ditcherman]

Now for an on topic post (!?!), all this talk of the US and foreign aid and support, is there anyone else that just thinks Israel is "different"? Like on a deeper meaning or faith level, different enough that it translates into our national relationship with them?

I'm just surprised i haven't seen this brought up here. I know secular people don't respect this reasoning at all, but I still think the reasoning is there affecting our stance with Israel that may be much different than any other country.

I just see people lumping all countries treatment into a few categories, friend or enemy and would ask is Israel different.

 

[Shadow01]

Dagestan, Russia
Locals are stopping cars searching for Jews. Police is ignoring. (a planeload of Israeli refugees landed shortly before)

https://fb.watch/n_mOzVvw3M/

They will be killing Jews in the streets as governments turn a blind eye.

 

[KG1]

Now for an on topic post (!?!), all this talk of the US and foreign aid and support, is there anyone else that just thinks Israel is "different"? Like on a deeper meaning or faith level, different enough that it translates into our national relationship with them?

I'm just surprised i haven't seen this brought up here. I know secular people don't respect this reasoning at all, but I still think the reasoning is there affecting our stance with Israel that may be much different than any other country.

I just see people lumping all countries treatment into a few categories, friend or enemy and would ask is Israel different.

Well if I remember correctly, we were given a caution upthread to not get deep into a religious discussion but if that's what you are intimating it has to do with having a bond with God's chosen people on a faith-based level. If I'm off base here, feel free to correct me otherwise I'm going to honor that mod-based caution and not get too deep into it.

 

[ditcherman]

Well if I remember correctly, we were given a caution upthread to not get deep into a religious discussion but if that's what you are intimating it has to do with God's chosen people on a faith-based level. If I'm off base here, feel free to correct me otherwise I'm going to honor that mod-based caution and not get too deep into it.

I had seen that and forgotten that warning, and certainly had no intention of starting a religious conversation, if it can be done at all when discussing Israel.

I’ll be happy to delete my post if it’s deemed inappropriate or the mods certainly can.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I had seen that and forgotten that warning, and certainly had no intention of starting a religious conversation, if it can be done at all when discussing Israel.

I’ll be happy to delete my post if it’s deemed inappropriate or the mods certainly can.

Nope. you're good. skim the surface and dont try to get too deep here.

And I think you guys are on track. Its the promised land according to them. And even without that religious angle, Jews were the first civilization with written history to populate the area. Forget WHY they went there or who supposedly sent them. They just did. Those who were there before to my knowledge were simply nomadic people far and few between. So nobody that can really lay claim to the land before they arrived.

But to get much deeper you probably need to go start a religious thread about this conflict.

 

[KG1]

I had seen that and forgotten that warning, and certainly had no intention of starting a religious conversation, if it can be done at all when discussing Israel.

I’ll be happy to delete my post if it’s deemed inappropriate or the mods certainly can.

Nope. I don't think that's necessary as long as it doesn't get any deeper and I do understand that there is an aspect of support here for Israel on a religious based level for many that you have brought up but that has been relegated for discussion in another thread.

Edit: This post was in the making when Cameramonkey posted. That's who I was referring to.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Sorry thank you fixed, yes War Pigs, and not just the song but definitely a reference to it.

ETA and if you’d like an even darker version of it check out Puddles Pity Party cover.

Darker version than the original? Not sure I want to click that.