Haley 2024?

[BugI02]

Goes back to Jamil’s post. Trump shot himself in the foot a dozen times or more in a bad way and refuses to ever acknowledge a mistake or defeat.

Trump got some stuff done, but he wasn’t a miracle worker.

Then why is it that the man who you feel is the embodiment of what you think is needed is barely ahead of Haley in the nomination polls and pretty much IS the margin of error

If notTrump is so great, who do so few people want it? Are you going to tell us that all the rest of us are 'low information voters' who lack your superior analysis of events?

When everybody around you is 'the problem', perhaps your SA sucks and it's you who have the problem

The DeSantis cavalry isn't coming. If they can sideline Trump you'll be given Haley and told to like it - but hey, you can always vote libertarian and feel that your hands are clean. Clean hands will give you a better grip on the boxcar

 

[Ingomike]

Well. Temporary miracles.

Oh wait. You're right. Bumpstocks. That one stuck.

For now. Until and unless SCOTUS overrules him. Hopefully that miracle turns to ****.

Weak. Toy plastic is all you got? Why would Trump care about bump stocks if their adherents do not support him…

 

[jamil]

Stop trolling. Calling people cult members is trolling and name calling. Stop it.

I think it's fair to call out behavior that people think is cult-like. But I agree that calling people actual cult members is obviously inaccurate and is name-calling.

It really is not a miracle to anyone that understands economics, it was the most prosperous years of my working life. If those were not the best financial years for people then they are not engaging in purely capitalist endeavors because most ships went up with the tide.

Well. To be honest, I'm better off now financially than I was during Trump's term, but not because of anything Biden did or anything Trump did. It would be even better to have Trump's economy now, where inflation is in check, and the economy is booming.

But whining trolls want to throw around cult slurs to folks the so want to get back to those financial times while stocking the courts with more conservative judges, and neutering or eliminating the leftists in government…

I want to get back to sane economic policies. I'd rather not have an ideological court. But if we have to have one, I suppose the chaos of RvW must certainly be better than the chaos caused by having the courts stacked with ideologues like Brown-Jacksons whose ideological possession runs so deep she refuses to say in simple terms what a woman is at a confirmation hearing.

But on that point, the list of judges from which Trump chose, came mostly from Heritage Foundation. I think Trump isn't uniquely qualified among the viable candidates to choose from the same list. Unless you're a court geek, most presidents aren't going to be informed enough to just pick on their own.

 

[BugI02]

But we're not talking about accomplishments. We're talking about how Trump has helped create all this chaos against him. Just two things played differently by Trump and chaos around J6/insurrection would never have been possible. That chaos caused him to be banned on social media, impeached again, a mockumentary called the J6 commission was aired 24/7. Many conservatives who supported Trump dumped him because of all that.

I'm not counting him out. He may win the big boy chair back. But it will be despite his missteps and not because of them. Trump's inauguration could have been a nearly foregone conclusion without all the fear and rage porn genned up because of J6/insurrection.

Seeing, with your own eyes, the resources brought against him from before he was even sworn in as president, I'm surprised you actually (or at least profess to) believe that some other pretext would not have been manufactured if J6 had not happened

It mirrors the magical thinking of people who think that it is only Trump in the barrel and if DeSantis were the candidate we would surely return to fair play and the same tactics would not be deployed against his candidacy. Do you truly think the Gravy Train caucus would allow a DeSantis candidacy to derail Haley? Is DeSantis in anybody's wildest dreams the man that can defeat the democrats, 1/3 of his own party's apparatchiks and Clownworld all at the same time? What's that word so often thrown around about 2020? Yeah, DELUSIONAL, that's it

 

[jamil]

Weak. Toy plastic is all you got? Why would Trump care about bump stocks if their adherents do not support him…

If SCOTUS does not strike this down, then it enables every POTUS to change law through executive orders to change regulations. That's always been the importance of this, not the actual item it banned. The POTUS should not posses this power. The Constitution gives it exclusively to Congress. Given all the lip service you give to the Constitution, I would think that you would side with the Constitution.

 

[BugI02]

If SCOTUS does not strike this down, then it enables every POTUS to change law through executive orders to change regulations. That's always been the importance of this, not the actual item it banned. The POTUS should not posses this power. The Constitution gives it exclusively to Congress. Given all the lip service you give to the Constitution, I would think that you would side with the Constitution.

Maybe the answer is much fewer regulations and thus nothing to change via EO

Let me see, who was it again who was mandating the reduction of regulations?

 

[Ingomike]

If SCOTUS does not strike this down, then it enables every POTUS to change law through executive orders to change regulations. That's always been the importance of this, not the actual item it banned. The POTUS should not posses this power. The Constitution gives it exclusively to Congress. Given all the lip service you give to the Constitution, I would think that you would side with the Constitution.

You think Trump doing this was unique?

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Then why is it that the man who you feel is the embodiment of what you think is needed is barely ahead of Haley in the nomination polls and pretty much IS the margin of error

If notTrump is so great, who do so few people want it? Are you going to tell us that all the rest of us are 'low information voters' who lack your superior analysis of events?

When everybody around you is 'the problem', perhaps your SA sucks and it's you who have the problem

The DeSantis cavalry isn't coming. If they can sideline Trump you'll be given Haley and told to like it - but hey, you can always vote libertarian and feel that your hands are clean. Clean hands will give you a better grip on the boxcar

I don‘t think the majority of voters are thinking about what 2024 is going to look like for Trump. I don’t think people recognize how much time/money/media is going to be spent getting him on the ballot and out of jail. I don’t think the media has really spent any time going down the path of what a bad legal year for Trump really looks like.

I am in Iowa this week and find the Trump folks in 3 groups.

1- Passive Trump supporters, people who seem to be accepting he is the nominee and willing to vote for him a third time. People who would vote for the R, but don’t follow day to day news or really care about the details.

2- Trump walks on water- These people think Trump walks on water, is our only option, and anyone else is unacceptable. The charges are as rigged as the election was stolen. These people will likely write him in, even if he is in prison.

3- Trump because Haley bad, DeSantis boot heels. Must be Trump.

That’s pretty much what I’ve found. My political history is in Iowa. The legislators I know are here. I find it interesting that DeSantis has racked up the Iowa endorsements and not a lot of the Iowa GOP leaders are siding with him.

I think Trump dominates the news cycle and gets the press. It’s been hard for DeSantis and Haley to break that. The charges, plus the known commodity of the last President are a hard obstacle to wreck.

DeSantis and Haley also have not gone hard enough at Trump. There’s plenty to attack, yet they seem to be walking lightly to not **** off the Trump crowd.

 

[jamil]

Seeing, with your own eyes, the resources brought against him from before he was even sworn in as president, I'm surprised you actually (or at least profess to) believe that some other pretext would not have been manufactured if J6 had not happened

Of course they would have had to come up with plan B. But Trump handed them the perfect plan A. It worked beautify for them.

It mirrors the magical thinking of people who think that it is only Trump in the barrel and if DeSantis were the candidate we would surely return to fair play and the same tactics would not be deployed against his candidacy. Do you truly think the Gravy Train caucus would allow a DeSantis candidacy to derail Haley? Is DeSantis in anybody's wildest dreams the man that can defeat the democrats, 1/3 of his own party's apparatchiks and Clownworld all at the same time? What's that word so often thrown around about 2020? Yeah, DELUSIONAL, that's it

I mean. You've gone this route before. The point is about handing enemies a club to beat you with. Trump keeps doing this. At least make them concoct their own club. Maybe the one they have to fabricate on their own with no help from Trump would not be as strong and resilient as it is.

With any other Republican Hillary would have done something. But with Trump, it's really easier to pull it off because of the idiotic things he says.

You take a guy like Ramaswamy who is pretty good at articulating a message, not now, but when he matures more, he will likely be a formidable candidate who will not make those unforced errors.

A sports analogy works here. Say you have a strong sportsball team with top talented players. So much that you should just kick the **** out of every other team. But you have closer games than you should, and you lose some games you shouldn't lose, because of committing too many mistakes.

Trump is like that. He's got the "it" to just roll over everyone, but he makes so many mistakes he makes it closer than it should be, or just loses altogether. I don't think the ballot harvesting campaign in 2020 should have been as successful as it was. Trump made himself an easy Nazi for the press to portray.

 

[jamil]

You think Trump doing this was unique?

Did I say that? That's not even a rebuttal to the point.

But anyway, this was a bit of a precedent. The law said one thing. It defined what a machine gun is. The BATF'kers had a definition that pretty much followed the one written by Congress. Trump told them to say a bump stock is a machine gun. Even though it has nothing in common with the definition in the law passed by congress.

It's a pretty important order for the courts to strike down. A court already struck it down. The current administration is appealing it. I think SCOTUS has agreed to weigh in. We'll see what happens.

 

[jamil]

2- Trump walks on water- These people think Trump walks on water, is our only option, and anyone else is unacceptable. The charges are as rigged as the election was stolen. These people will likely write him in, even if he is in prison.

3- Trump because Haley bad, DeSantis boot heels. Must be Trump.

Really? I would find it strange if #2 and #3 don't overlap. I think you can consolidate those.

 

[jamil]

Maybe the answer is much fewer regulations and thus nothing to change via EO

Let me see, who was it again who was mandating the reduction of regulations?

That's an accomplishment Trump did very well on, but while having both houses, would have been great if he'd have just made those deregulation changes more permanent.

But, I don't completely fault Trump for his inability to work with his own party on that. CoC/neocon grifters are hard to work with.

Anyway, Congress does not seem willing to take their power back.

 

[foszoe]

Stop trolling. Calling people cult members is trolling and name calling. Stop it.

It really is not a miracle to anyone that understands economics, it was the most prosperous years of my working life. If those were not the best financial years for people then they are not engaging in purely capitalist endeavors because most ships went up with the tide.

But whining trolls want to throw around cult slurs to folks the so want to get back to those financial times while stocking the courts with more conservative judges, and neutering or eliminating the leftists in government…

How GDP Growth Under Trump Compares To Clinton, Obama And Other Presidents

With the presidential election less than a week away, Americans are weighing the two presidential candidates and choosing which is best for the country over the next four years --if they haven't already voted.One way they can do that is by looking back on the first term of President Donald Trump...

finance.yahoo.com

Of course only you can determine how you did.

Not mine. Clinton was better.

 

[foszoe]

Then why is it that the man who you feel is the embodiment of what you think is needed is barely ahead of Haley in the nomination polls and pretty much IS the margin of error

If notTrump is so great, who do so few people want it? Are you going to tell us that all the rest of us are 'low information voters' who lack your superior analysis of events?

When everybody around you is 'the problem', perhaps your SA sucks and it's you who have the problem

The DeSantis cavalry isn't coming. If they can sideline Trump you'll be given Haley and told to like it - but hey, you can always vote libertarian and feel that your hands are clean. Clean hands will give you a better grip on the boxcar

The fiercest Trumpe supporters are in the states Trumpe will most likely win.

If Mike is right, we need to focus on the 50,000, the few, who will swing the election. What do they want? What do the polls show in those states for GOP vs GOP? for Trumpe vs Biden?

 

[jamil]

How GDP Growth Under Trump Compares To Clinton, Obama And Other Presidents

With the presidential election less than a week away, Americans are weighing the two presidential candidates and choosing which is best for the country over the next four years --if they haven't already voted.One way they can do that is by looking back on the first term of President Donald Trump...

finance.yahoo.com

Of course only you can determine how you did.

Not mine. Clinton was better.

I mean. C'mon. That was during the tech boom. Not even Carter could have ****ed that up.

 

[foszoe]

I mean. C'mon. That was during the tech boom. Not even Carter could have ****ed that up.

well GWB is second for me.

Trump is third.

Obama 4th.

Carter, I was not in the work force.

Reagan and Bush Sr. college

I mean even Biden is going to pass Trumpe up in the Stock Markets now for those who invest in index funds following Warren Buffet's advice for the common man.

 

[jamil]

Are you going to tell us that all the rest of us are 'low information voters' who lack your superior analysis of events?

I mean this is between you and him. But. You kinda served up a soft ball where he can just smack it with. “Yes.” Given his posts, even if he don’t say it. He’s thinking it.

 

[KG1]

Really? I would find it strange if #2 and #3 don't overlap. I think you can consolidate those.

Are you saying that he should consolidate to make his post more concise?

 

[jamil]

Are you saying that he should consolidate to make his post more concise?

Yes

 

[KG1]

Yes

Cool