Go It Alone United Kingdom!

[Ericpwp]

Maybe Scotland can have another independence referendum. Then join the EU.

 

[T.Lex]

Maybe Scotland can have another independence referendum. Then join the EU.

That's what their politicians are planning.

 

[Leadeye]

Trump is riding the "revolution against the status quo" which is playing out now in the UK, it's really his strongest card in the election. Bringing fed up people out to vote against established leadership worked for him in the primaries and he'll probably stay on that message into the general election. Making hilly out to be the poster child of corrupt, obtuse, leadership isn't much of a stretch.

 

[foszoe]

So. I gave credit to Trump upthread for a good policy. Now, I see he kinda messed up something rather big.

He's in Scotland. A country. Part of the UK. Which is also a country. Yes, this can be tricky. Even for a smart American businessman.

He tweeted that Scotland voted to take their country back, in the Brexit. Except they didn't. Scotland didn't. Scotland voted to remain in the EU. So, they will probably have a future vote, in which they take their country back out of England, and go back to the EU.

Trump doesn't understand.

You are using country in two different ways in your post which points to a possibility that the word country has multiple definitions.

Tweets don't allow much room for nuance.

He used a pronoun which could also mean a multitude of countries voted to take their country back.

I think I will reserve judgement.

 

[HoughMade]

That's what their politicians are planning.

Yes...they are.

Remember all the Scotland secession discussions we had here? I wonder how the Scotland secession INGOers will feel about a Scotland that secedes to join the EU.

 

[T.Lex]

You are using country in two different ways in your post which points to a possibility that the word country has multiple definitions.

Heck, I'll even concede that fact.

Tweets don't allow much room for nuance.

He used a pronoun which could also mean a multitude of countries voted to take their country back.

But even using that approach - "they" as in Scotland didn't vote to take their country back. This wasn't the secession vote. And, even if he was talking about Scotland's vote in Brexit referendum, "they" didn't vote to take their country back. "They" voted to remain.

It doesn't require nuance to at least get the facts straight. Heck, "UK" uses 2 fewer characters than "they" and would've been clearer.

I think I will reserve judgement.

Ok. But this is INGO.

 

[jamil]

Kut's statement doesn't make any sense. England was part of the European Union. Texas leaving our union would be the same. It isn't a bad comparison at all. Texas was even an independent nation at one point before voluntarily joining the US. The main difference is that, unlike the EU, the US Constitution doesn't have an explicit provision for leaving peacefully and the US has a history of extreme violence against states that do try to leave.

The European Union isn't a sovereign nation. It is a union of sovereign nations agreeing to common terms. The world recognizes the UK as a sovereign nation. The EU is just a collection of sovereign nations bound by agreement to common goals, interests, and rules. Member nations did not relinquish their sovereignty, at least not all of it. The relationship of member nations to the EU is closer to UN member nations is to the UN, than Texas to the United States.

The United states is a sovereign nation, but no one recognizes Texas as a sovereign nation.

So I think Kut's right to say it's not a very good comparison.

 

[T.Lex]

The United states is a sovereign nation, but no one recognizes Texas as a sovereign nation.

I know some Texans who might disagree.

But, your point remains valid.

So I think Kut's right to say it's not a very good comparison.

Like any analogy, it is imperfect.

 

[foszoe]

Heck, I'll even concede that fact.


But even using that approach - "they" as in Scotland didn't vote to take their country back. This wasn't the secession vote. And, even if he was talking about Scotland's vote in Brexit referendum, "they" didn't vote to take their country back. "They" voted to remain.

It doesn't require nuance to at least get the facts straight. Heck, "UK" uses 2 fewer characters than "they" and would've been clearer.


Ok. But this is INGO.

I will make a stronger case. Trump is using correct English applying a plural pronoun to a multiple of countries. You, sir, are attempting to apply a plural pronoun to a singular country which leaves me to question if your post concerning this matter is neutral or agenda driven?

I should have been a defense attorney!

 

[T.Lex]

I will make a stronger case. Trump is using correct English applying a plural pronoun to a multiple of countries. You, sir, are attempting to apply a plural pronoun to a singular country which leaves me to question if your post concerning this matter is neutral or agenda driven?

I should have been a defense attorney!

Or a grammarian.

But you'd still be wrong. What "they" references should be clear from context. The only identifiable entity prior to "they" is Scotland. Arrived in Scotland... Place going wild... they took country back.

The third identifier - pronoun "they" - can only be referencing Scotland in the context of that tweet, if we want to go full grammar nazi. Now where did I leave my golf ball...

 

[HoughMade]

I've always viewed the EU as a half-assed attempt by Europe to compete on the same scale as the economies of the U.S., later, China.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Can someone YouTube 'who the hell you think you are?' Nigel Farage throwing eggs.........This is a classic!.....on a mobile...thanks!

 

[foszoe]

Or a grammarian.

But you'd still be wrong. What "they" references should be clear from context. The only identifiable entity prior to "they" is Scotland. Arrived in Scotland... Place going wild... they took country back.

The third identifier - pronoun "they" - can only be referencing Scotland in the context of that tweet, if we want to go full grammar nazi. Now where did I leave my golf ball...

I already knew I was probably wrong but all I need is reasonable doubt. I find you to be unreasonable: )

 

[BogWalker]

The relationship of Scotland to the UK is a bit strange for people used to thinking of how, say, Indiana is related to the United States.

Trump was probably just plain wrong.

He's never been known for his geography knowledge, and it's a mistake a lot of people would make.

 

[foszoe]

I've always viewed the EU as a half-assed attempt by Europe to compete on the same scale as the economies of the U.S., later, China.

I think stopping at a common market would have been ok. It seems there was more to the agenda.

 

[T.Lex]

I already knew I was probably wrong but all I need is reasonable doubt. I find you to be unreasonable: )

Ok - that line forms to the left, and winds down the hallway back to Kirk's firearm safety training room. Which, by the way, is almost always empty. Except for him.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Remember all the Scotland secession discussions we had here? I wonder how the Scotland secession INGOers will feel about a Scotland that secedes to join the EU.

Stop ruining my triple cross!

Oh, how I long for Scotland to vote for the EU (yet again). I can hear the melting of Paulian brains all over the Internet. They will have to burn their copies of Braveheart and Pallas!

 

[foszoe]

Stop ruining my triple cross!

Oh, how I long for Scotland to vote for the EU (yet again). I can hear the melting of Paulian brains all over the Internet. They will have to burn their copies of Braveheart and Pallas!

Careful now, that's my family you're talking about....we have a clan meeting very soon.

i wish I had a tactical kilt

 

[indiucky]

Can someone YouTube 'who the hell you think you are?' Nigel Farage throwing eggs.........This is a classic!.....on a mobile...thanks!

Here you go brother....

[video=youtube;2gm9q8uabTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs[/video]

 

[printcraft]

The relationship of Scotland to the UK is a bit strange for people used to thinking of how, say, Indiana is related to the United States.

Trump was probably just plain wrong.

He's never been known for his geography knowledge, and it's a mistake a lot of people would make.

All I know is that the 58 states that we have over here make us the best country on the planet.