Federal agent shoots ankle charging rat terrier in Fishers.

[flatlander]

This guy was a grade "A" douche. In an apt complex? At nite? A 20lb dog? Give me a f****n break. You or I would have charges against us but this a$$bag gets a pass?
All you he-men stating "I'd shot it to" have the SAOFR and I sure the heck would not want you around my family or myself in these same circumstances. If that's your idea of immenent danger or serious threat of bodily harm you need to get off the couch and get out more often....maybe even take some defensive classes.
Flame awayI've said my piece.

Bob

 

[Harleyrider_50]

keep your dog on a leash and not charging people.. simple solution to that problem

Don't need a leash......property's electronic'ly fenced....all 2-1/4 acres of it. Yorkies......6 of'em.....an'a Beaglehound, an'a Retriever.....raised the Yorkies since birth.....yeah...........ALL'a dogs here'll bark,raise 9 kinds o' hell when ya come in the drive,down the road.....NONE are viscious,by any means,and never bitten anybody.....not even the strange JW's that show up 'bout ever other wk/end...LOL!.........after 20-30 seconds of be'n here......they just want attn......or a treat.....

You wanting to kill someone who is trying to protect themselves from an occuring dog attack is quite telling....

Big difference in attack.......an' just chase'n yer pants legs , or stand'n there yap'n.....they're dogs......it's what they do.......

like said above.....I've raised mine since they's born.....they're very social.....I've raised'em that way.....SOOoooo.....with that said.....they're like my kids.......and if ya don't think I'd send somebody on ta the big Dirt Nap over 1 of'em......I'll just say......ya would'n wanna tes' me on it.....

when comes ta yer kid(s)......YMMV......

 

[Harleyrider_50]

This guy was a grade "A" douche. In an apt complex? At nite? A 20lb dog? Give me a f****n break. You or I would have charges against us but this a$$bag gets a pass?
All you he-men stating "I'd shot it to" have the SAOFR and I sure the heck would not want you around my family or myself in these same circumstances. If that's your idea of immenent danger or serious threat of bodily harm you need to get off the couch and get out more often....maybe even take some defensive classes.
Flame awayI've said my piece.

Bob

.......good post,dude!......left a comment on your profile,LOL!.....Is this how you 'rep' a member?.....if it ain't,somebody x'plain it,hahahaha....

 

[drillsgt]

what a bunch of crap. He felt threatened by an 18 lb dog? He's either a complete wuss, or was just looking for an excuse to shoot something. He should be brought up on charges.

Now he can brag he was in a shooting and has been there and done that!

 

[cobber]

Google is so easy nowdays. Anyone can do it.

indiana code self defense - Bing

Doesn't pertain to animal attacks.

 

[Classic]

Don't need a leash......property's electronic'ly fenced....all 2-1/4 acres of it. Yorkies......6 of'em.....an'a Beaglehound, an'a Retriever.....raised the Yorkies since birth.....yeah...........ALL'a dogs here'll bark,raise 9 kinds o' hell when ya come in the drive,down the road.....NONE are viscious,by any means,and never bitten anybody.....not even the strange JW's that show up 'bout ever other wk/end...LOL!.........after 20-30 seconds of be'n here......they just want attn......or a treat.....


Big difference in attack.......an' just chase'n yer pants legs , or stand'n there yap'n.....they're dogs......it's what they do.......

like said above.....I've raised mine since they's born.....they're very social.....I've raised'em that way.....SOOoooo.....with that said.....they're like my kids.......and if ya don't think I'd send somebody on ta the big Dirt Nap over 1 of'em......I'll just say......ya would'n wanna tes' me on it.....

when comes ta yer kid(s)......YMMV......

Might want to consider some legal training on the use of force. Unless you are just running off at the mouth.

 

[Shift Zombie]

That guy's a dip****. It's called, you punt the dog.

 

[Double T]

Some people call "pit bulls" rat terriers. Could have been a bigger dog?

 

[Hotdoger]

Doesn't pertain to animal attacks.

There were 313,000 results I am sure something applied.

 

[in625shooter]

To paraphrase, the basic standard for use of force against a HUMAN is reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.

Indiana doesn't have a statute directly on use of force related to animal attacks so generally the common law rules are held to apply. While it has been ages since I looked them up (think Liberty Sanders case) they generally are LESS than those involving shooting humans.

I do think that shooting threatening rat terriers may say something about your intestinal fortitude (or lack thereof) or about your good judgement.

However, I am hard pressed to say it should be a crime to shoot any animal which is on your property and is threatening you; so long as it is not done in a way which threatens the life/property of those around you.

Best,

Joe

Let me add something on the Federal part. It appears to most of us that bad judgement was used because of the lack of size on the dog. However if he was on his property he was well within his rights as would any propery owner. There are a 100 different ways it could go but basically cut and dried any property owner would be within their rights in this basic situation.

What happens is being a Federal LE OI will investigate it. If they find anything policy wise that he violated then they will make their recommendations on LOR, days off etc. If OI finds something possible criminal then it gets refered to OIG which is the investigations arm on possible criminal violations.

While several here have voiced they feel that LEO's, Federal in particular get away with everything any case at all like this and even someones allegation of excessive force is refered to OI and an investigation is opened.

I am not defending anyone here but just explaining a little bit on how an OI investigation works in the FED's since anyone that works for them as a LEO has been through a couple. It's just part of the checks and balance system agree or not!

 

[cobber]

There were 313,000 results I am sure something applied.

How can you be so sure? Would you stake your liberty on a Bing search?

Good luck with that defense in Court.

"I Googled it and there were over 300,000 hits your honor."

"Did any of them apply in this case?"

"I don't know. I'm sure one did."

Here's one of the 313,000 from your link:

http://www.selfdefenseresource.com/women/index.php

A women's self defense website.

And another:

http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/texas/tx-codes/texas_penal_code_9-31

Texas Penal Code.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

No, its the legal standard to draw your firearm.

I think you are confusing the IC code for pointing a firearm, as it applies to humans, with drawing your firearm. If such was the case, you wouldn't be able to legally target practice.

 

[Harleyrider_50]

Might want to consider some legal training on the use of force. Unless you are just running off at the mouth.

I don't ....'Run off at the mouth' dude......concern'n my dogs........I'd jump in front'a train for each/ever 1 of'em......git'a picture now?........

 

[Hotdoger]

How can you be so sure? Would you stake your liberty on a Bing search?

Good luck with that defense in Court.

"I Googled it and there were over 300,000 hits your honor."

"Did any of them apply in this case?"

"I don't know. I'm sure one did."

Here's one of the 313,000 from your link:

Women Self-Defense

A women's self defense website.

And another:

Texas Penal Code 9.31 - Self-Defense :: Lawserver

Texas Penal Code.

The point was he wanted to be educated and I gave him a simple way to do a study because he NEEDED TO EDUCATE HIMSELF AND NOT TAKE MY WORD!

Want to discuss his idea of "mortal danger " and where it appears in Indiana code?

 

[flatlander]

Some people call "pit bulls" rat terriers. Could have been a bigger dog?

Story states- 20lbs. Not exactly a bigger dog

He was in a common area....not HIS private property
As to the OI's- It's worked sooooo well in the past....think Ruby Ridge and go from there

Bob

 

[srad]

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[cobber]

The point was he wanted to be educated and I gave him a simple way to do a study because he NEEDED TO EDUCATE HIMSELF AND NOT TAKE MY WORD!

Want to discuss his idea of "mortal danger " and where it appears in Indiana code?

With respect to an animal attack and use of force? You can Google it and find lots of results, but you won't actually find anything in the code.

With respect to an attack by a human, yes. Then you are talking reasonable fear of death or forcible felony.

Otherwise you have to look to the common/case law.

As to the discharge of a firearm in certain areas, that's another matter separate from the reason for the discharge itself.

If one wants to educate oneself on Indiana code, Google is not your friend. Try this: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/

 

[public servant]

WTS/WTT: I partially used bag of Kibbles 'n Bits. Barely used. Owner has no use for it now.

 

[Shadow8088]

WTS/WTT: I partially used bag of Kibbles 'n Bits. Barely used. Owner has no use for it now.

dude.. that's just wrong... and I damn near pissed myself...

 

[public servant]

BTW... This was caused by a terrier. A family pet. Never underestimate your opponent. Just sayin'.