I've found my new favorite troll.
Can I keep him, Mom?
He followed me home from INGO today!
Welcome to INGO, Rich.
Are you talking to me? or is your name rich?
"I want to buy ze gun.Yes im French, why do you think I have this outrageous accent you son of a silly person?!"
I can't wrap my brain around the people saying they won't do a bill of sale or won't buy from anyone that has one. Seems to me that it only relieves you of liability if you make one and holds you responsible if you are buying one.
"I want to buy ze gun.Yes im French, why do you think I have this outrageous accent you son of a silly person?!"
Just so you're aware, when I read your posts all I can hear is Pepe Le Pew talking about guns.
Haven't been part of a face to face sale yet. From my understanding, showing a DL is a requirement to verify residency of Indiana. I don't think showing my LTCH is out of the question either. I would expect a bill of sale if I were on either side of the transaction. I wouldn't want the other party to copy down any info on my DL or LTCH though. I know some of this is not required by law, but I don't want to be any part of a sale that results in legal problems for either party when there is a complete lack of documentation. I would rather not complete the sale than buy a gun with a questionable history or sell a gun that is later used in a crime.
Just try to use federal law and my lawyer will laugh you out of court. It is a STATE law and it is not required.
They would have to prove intent to traffic the controlled item across state lines to bust you on federal charges and it would require a federal agent to do it. Indiana police do not enforce federal laws, they do not have the authority to do so.
I always ask the person, "Are you legally allowed to purchase a firearm in the state if Indiana?" When they answer to the positive you are legally in the clear.
This is an aside to my own feelings on the matter, if they seem shady or if anything is wrong I can terminate the sale at my discretion. I doubt this would ever happen because I always have a conversation with them first.
lets say you are right. the person you sold the weapon to kills somebody, is a felon, and an all around bad person. you stand in the court room and say, "i asked him if he legally allowed to purchase a firearm in the state of indiana." and yes that is all you have to do. you get to go free. you are an innocent person. but what happens when the story hits the news paper? the lefties crawl out of the wood work and demand the laws be changed. you may have covered yourself, but damned the rest of us.
were as same scenario, you asked to see drivers lisence and a bill of sale with a signature. it does not matter if both where faked, it looks better in the news story, because you did not do just the bare minimum. you did extra just to be sure. if he faked his id, then that is not yours or anyone elses fault. the lefties wont have a leg to stand on.
It is not. You are not required to possess or show an operators for a vehicle to complete the sale of a firearm.
The rest is your preferrence but let me ask you something... Why does documentation give you the warm and fuzzies when selling and buying firearms? Maybe everyone should register their guns with the nanny state to make you guys feel better.
If you have that many issues selling a gun then maybe you should stay home and collect comic books. Or just don't participate in FTF sales, go through a dealer so the innocent blood can be on THEIR hands.
You can't control people and you aren't responsible for someone else's actions. The media ALREADY uses everything they can against INCLUDING perfectly legal aspects of our hobby- trust me I know first hand. The General Assembly and the Governor would have to agree with the people screaming for more gun control and to tell you the truth, there just aren't that many of them. I can't remember the last time an antigun bill was INTRODUCED let alone passed in this state. To try now would be political suicide for a politician who really doesn't want to loose their cozy jobs.
I don't believe in regulations or laws for Bearing Arms- some people call them Infringements... So why would I go over and above to make sure the nany state "allows" someone to have one before I sell them one? If they are willing to lie to my face (convincingly so) they are more than capable of fooling YOU with a fake ID.
Keep in mind your pitiful preconceived notions fail to grasp the full concept of my stance. I am not saying I will sell a gun to just anyone, in fact I am very picky. I just don't (typically) rely on government issued documents unless I feel the need- I'm sure you didn't read my post about checking an INGOers drivers license that admitted he was from and heading to Illinois after the sale. He had an Indiana DL, Indiana plates and he told me he was legal to buy in Indiana. All I needed.