Evansville Sued for Violating Gun Owner's Rights

[crispy]

Here is the last post I made to all the fruitcakes in the comment section. Not one comment since.

There have been many post in this comment section about scared children. I need ONE person to show me in any article where it stated any children were frightened. The cops and the zoo officials never said anything about scared terrified little children.

"Scared children" is code for "I'm scared, but too embarrassed to say it".

Show me a 5 year old and up boy that isn't intrigued by a gun in a holster and it would be the first one I've ever seen. Of course I don't hang with Sheeple so it is possible that sheeple-in-training have been conditioned to fear everything.

 

[cableguy]

Ain't it funny that we cannot use the excuse of being ignorant of the law, but the police can.

 

[mrortega]

Mr. Relford, your comments please (if you can The city acknowledges that Ben was carrying legally, even when OCing, so they know they can't defend against the charge of violating the new state law. They will try to contend that he was escorted out because he was causing a disturbance and not for anything related to his carrying. That being the case they will have to rely on EPD officer testimony that he was causing said disturbance against any witnesses that Ben can bring forward to dispute that. That being said can you defeat that line of reasoning by contending that the police provoked him by acting illegally and therefore there would have been no alleged disturbance if not for the PO's action? If the court decides that EPD's action was lawful because of the "disturbance" what does that do to the main purpose of the suit which is to get justice for plaintiff and an injunction against further illegal action against lawful weapon carriers.
Lastly what determines whether there will be a bench or jury trial?

 

[GuyRelford]

Mr. Relford, your comments please (if you can The city acknowledges that Ben was carrying legally, even when OCing, so they know they can't defend against the charge of violating the new state law. They will try to contend that he was escorted out because he was causing a disturbance and not for anything related to his carrying. That being the case they will have to rely on EPD officer testimony that he was causing said disturbance against any witnesses that Ben can bring forward to dispute that. That being said can you defeat that line of reasoning by contending that the police provoked him by acting illegally and therefore there would have been no alleged disturbance if not for the PO's action? If the court decides that EPD's action was lawful because of the "disturbance" what does that do to the main purpose of the suit which is to get justice for plaintiff and an injunction against further illegal action against lawful weapon carriers.
Lastly what determines whether there will be a bench or jury trial?

It is not appropriate for me to comment publicly on these issues, but rest easy.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

It is not appropriate for me to comment publicly on these issues, but rest easy.

 

[mrortega]

Thanks, Guy.

 

[jon5212]

I think this is great. The only problem I have is the money portion... Myself and everyone else including that pays taxes will be paying for Evansville's giant screw up. That I vehemently disagree with. The "settlement" should come directly from the officers paychecks that violated the rights of this individual.

I did not violate the rights of that person nor did anyone else except for the officers involved.

 

[BDBHoover]

Guy,
As I said in my PM, REP INBOUND..... after I spread some around..... Your first in line to get REP...... SOMEONE PLEASE REP TFT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY!!

He isn't taking on this for just his client, he is doing this for every INGOs (not just members of this site) and should be recognized for his efforts........ Again thank you Guy for what your doing for all of us.

 

[figley]

the more I study this incident, the less sense it makes. were these rookie cops, or are they just not very good at thinking on their feet?

instead of asking the man to conceal, why did the LEO's not make contact with the complainant, and inform that nothing illegal was taking place?

finally, is it the policy of EPD to enforce not only laws on the books, but also things that just make people scared or uncomfortable? well then, there are two gay boogeymen in my closet who want to get married. if that's not worth a call to 911, what is?

ETA: just one more thing: If these parents are so worried about the safety of their children, based on the fact that someone made it into the zoo with a GUHN!!2q1! strapped to him, why don't they do something about it? After calling 911, they found out that the police take a little time to respond - i.e.- "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". This should emphasize the point that a responsible parent has a duty to, on his or her own, be responsible for the safety of the brood. Instead, they believe that Jack friggin Bauer will appear from the shadows whenever they're about to wet themselves with fear.

 

[long coat]

Here is the scared kid you asked for.

 

[Electron don]

Letter of the law.

I have had a carry permit since the 80's. IMHO our EPD is better than most. As I read the news today, it appears that he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Had he kept his cool, he could have walked away free and clear. I am proud to live in a state that has a long history of legally arming its residents. This kind of stuff just provides ammo for the anti-gun people.

 

[sbcman]

I have had a carry permit since the 80's. IMHO our EPD is better than most. As I read the news today, it appears that he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Had he kept his cool, he could have walked away free and clear. I am proud to live in a state that has a long history of legally arming its residents. This kind of stuff just provides ammo for the anti-gun people.

No, no and no. He was not arrested (though that would have been some great fuel for this fire). He was not disorderly. He was harassed because the police wanted to enforce their opinion rather than the law. Frankly, I don't care how it feeds the antis- I am more concerned that the repeated instances we see of LEOs across several states deciding their opinion is greater than the law comes to an end. It is my hope that this case will play a part in accomplishing that end.

 

[24Carat]

Me thinks I needs to call . . . . . . .

The Evansville Police Department and ask if I OC in the Zoo around 10:00 AM CST this Saturday 9/24/11 would I get harassed by Uniformed Officers? If anyone wants to come watch . . . . or join me . . . . please bring a video camera.

Contact
Phone: (812) 436-7896

Fax: (812) 435-6175

Address:
Evansville Police Department
15 NW Martin Luther King Jr. BLVD
Evansville, IN 47708

Email: info@evansvillepolice.com

 

[sharkey]

I have had a carry permit since the 80's. IMHO our EPD is better than most. As I read the news today, it appears that he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Had he kept his cool, he could have walked away free and clear. I am proud to live in a state that has a long history of legally arming its residents. This kind of stuff just provides ammo for the anti-gun people.

Indiana has a history of legally arming its residents? Where do I sign up for THAT? I'd love a taxpayer-funded gun safe and ammo dump. It would make the quadruple-dipping of income tax + property tax + sales tax + hospitality tax a little more palatable to think that my tax dollars are putting equalizers in the hands of citizens.

Or do you mean that Indiana is less-infringing of human rights than Illinois or California? Is it the Bil of Rights or the Bill of Privileges?

The news I read did not report any sort of arrest, but that TF was ejected from a zoo operated by a local political unit for not complying with an illegal regulation on the carrying of a firearm.

 

[Dead Duck]

Example:
LEO (after seeing and verifying LTCH): "Sir, I can't ask you officially to conceal your pistol. I'd like for you to do so, so that no one else gets called out to see your license again later, but it's entirely your choice. I'm just thinking it would keep you from being disturbed the rest of your day. Either way, I'm going to say "Thank you", wish you a good day, get in my car and leave. " And They All Lived Happily Ever-After.

Hope that helps!
Blessings,
Bill

FIFY

Wow. That was the most beautiful story Uncle Bill. Read it to us again - Please?

 

[WebHobbit]

I have had a carry permit since the 80's.

Not in Indiana you haven't. Indiana doesn't have "permits". It's a License. Read it.

IMHO our EPD is better than most. As I read the news today, it appears that he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Had he kept his cool, he could have walked away free and clear. I am proud to live in a state that has a long history of legally arming its residents. This kind of stuff just provides ammo for the anti-gun people.

WTH news did you read anyway? I've read several different accounts and NONE of them said he was arrested. He was NOT arrested. Tell us the truth - you didn't actually READ any of the articles did you? Kind skimmed 'em -yes?

 

[snowrs]

Not in Indiana you haven't. Indiana doesn't have "permits". It's a License. Read it.



WTH news did you read anyway? I've read several different accounts and NONE of them said he was arrested. He was NOT arrested. Tell us the truth - you didn't actually READ any of the articles did you? Kind skimmed 'em -yes?

But he was scaring little children, and he stole an old ladies walker.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Titanium Frost made the front page of the Evansville Courier again yesterday.

I tried to violate his rights the other day. Told him to make sure he covered that damn thing up before he cam over. He called me a bastard and open carried it on my property anyway.

 

[Indy317]

Not in Indiana you haven't. Indiana doesn't have "permits". It's a License. Read it.

Why do folks get so upset on the words? The license permits one to carry a handgun on their person. I see this constantly an I'm not sure why folks always feel the need to point out the difference. It isn't like the license is more than what it is: a government permission slip.

 

[mrortega]

No, no and no. He was not arrested (though that would have been some great fuel for this fire). He was not disorderly. He was harassed because the police wanted to enforce their opinion rather than the law. Frankly, I don't care how it feeds the antis- I am more concerned that the repeated instances we see of LEOs across several states deciding their opinion is greater than the law comes to an end. It is my hope that this case will play a part in accomplishing that end.

How do you know what his demeanor was at the time? Some witnesses claim he got loud and was clearly agitated and "Made a scene." None of us except Mr. Frost, the cops and those in close proximity know what really happened.