Ebola in TX

[ArcadiaGP]

Martha Maccallum: ?We should not be allowing flights from affected countries #Ebola? | Twitchy

CDC director Thomas Frieden: ?The impulse to isolate countries may make #Ebola epidemic worse? | Twitchy


I'd feel much MORE comfortable about this Ebola situation if the government would stop saying "everything is fine." They don't instill confidence in me.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Ebola-Reston. Not proven or believed fatal or even infective in man.

Not necessarily non-infective. Humans can be "infected with" and test positive for Ebola - Reston, but it has no known harmful effects on humans.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Ebola Patient May Have Had Contact With 100 People, Authorities Say


This math is going to go nuts. Hang tight.

 

[T.Lex]

As long as none of the immediate family have it, that's good. If they can contain it to that group, we'll be Senegal, or at worst, Nigeria.

I guess I'd include anyone who had to clean up his puke (like a janitor at the apartment complex). If they don't have signs in the next 2 weeks, we're clear on this case IMHO.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

US Ebola victim helped carry infected woman days before flying to Texas | Daily Mail Online

... who later died of Ebola. 4 of his neighbors died, too.

 

[pudly]

CDC director Thomas Frieden: ?The impulse to isolate countries may make #Ebola epidemic worse? | Twitchy

Ebola Patient May Have Had Contact With 100 People, Authorities Say

I know that the CDC and the UN have both stated that there shouldn't be travel restrictions, but these two items don't make sense in juxtaposition. I'd really like to see an explanation of why it is better to allow infected people to travel.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Ebola is the NRA's fault.
Predictable scapegoat emerges for spread of Ebola (Hint: It begins with ?N? and ends with ?RA?) | Twitchy

 

[pudly]

A physician/microbiologist boarded a plane in Atlanta with an ebola protection setup and the words "CDC is lying!" on the back.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/

The doctor had just flown back to the US from Guatemala.

“Yesterday, I came through international customs at the Atlanta airport,” the doctor told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “The only question they asked arriving passengers is if they had tobacco or alcohol.”

I'm beginning to wonder if this is another of those "emergencies that shouldn't be allowed to go to waste" and what restrictions on Americans will come from it.

 

[Trigger Time]

All travel from Africa should be stopped.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Conspiracy or incompetence?
Ace of Spades HQ

2005: Obama writes a letter to Bush criticizing him that the nation is "dangerously unprepared" for avian flu outbreak
2005: Bush promulgates tough new rules to contain epidemics
2010: *President* Obama now scraps those rules

Trololololol.

 

[5.56'aholic]

Conspiracy or incompetence?
Ace of Spades HQ

2005: Obama writes a letter to Bush criticizing him that the nation is "dangerously unprepared" for avian flu outbreak
2005: Bush promulgates tough new rules to contain epidemics
2010: *President* Obama now scraps those rules

Trololololol.

On on a more serious note; directly from the CDC:

"Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature."

This guy is know to have direct contact with infected individuals. His belongs most likely have as well. Why in the hell are they not testing anyone that came in to contact with his baggage?

 

[ghuns]

This guy is know to have direct contact with infected individuals. His belongs most likely have as well. Why in the hell are they not testing anyone that came in to contact with his baggage?

Because you are only contagious when you are symptomatic and he was not symptomatic when he was traveling from Liberia to Murrica.

 

[cobber]

US Ebola victim helped carry infected woman days before flying to Texas | Daily Mail Online

... who later died of Ebola. 4 of his neighbors died, too.

He KNEW he had been exposed, but then traveled. Anyone who contracts Ebola after exposure to him should sue... And prevail.

Because you are only contagious when you are symptomatic and he was not symptomatic when he was traveling from Liberia to Murrica.

Would you sit next to him on the plane, as long as he wasn't symptomatic? Or would you let your kids sit next to him?

 

[pudly]

Would you sit next to him on the plane, as long as he wasn't symptomatic? Or would you let your kids sit next to him?

You would if there was no travel restrictions. How would you know that there was any risk?

 

[T.Lex]

He KNEW he had been exposed, but then traveled. Anyone who contracts Ebola after exposure to him should sue... And prevail.

At the risk of a serious thread derail - I'm going to out on a limb and say that the ebola-stricken Liberian is about as close to judgement-proof as you can get. Even assuming a successful claim (and I have my doubts), dude probably doesn't have (literally) a pot to **** in.

BTW, anyone figured out who's paying for his medical treatments?

:doh:

 

[PistolBob]

Because you are only contagious when you are symptomatic and he was not symptomatic when he was traveling from Liberia to Murrica.

Maybe. We just don't know.

Monday - one guy is reported with ebola in Dallas TX, he is quarantined
Tuesday - a potential second case is reported in Texas. Never confirmed.
Wednesday - reports say Texas has now got 18 people in quarantine, including 5 school children and their families
Thursday - reports now saying Texas has between 80 and 100 people in quarantine

Feds say we have nothing to worry about. There is nothing to see here.

 

[cobber]

You would if there was no travel restrictions. How would you know that there was any risk?

My question is rhetorical. The current zeit-geist is don't worry. I'm thinking when you are dealing with a contagious and lethal disease, it is irrational NOT to be concerned for your safety. Somehow I'm not reassured when the government tells me there's no problem...

(Don't worry, the gun's not loaded...)

 

[ghuns]

Maybe. We just don't know.

Uh, maybe you don't know. Maybe be the CDC, WHO, and researchers worldwide are lying to us, but they all seem to know...

WHO

The incubation period, or the time interval from infection to onset of symptoms, is from 2 to 21 days. The patients become contagious once they begin to show symptoms. They are not contagious during the incubation period.

CDC

A person must have symptoms to spread Ebola to others. The ill person did not exhibit symptoms of Ebola during the flights from West Africa and CDC does not recommend that people on the same commercial airline flights undergo monitoring.

Before the dude boarded the plane, his temperature was taken. If he had a fever, he would not have been allowed to board the plane.

 

[T.Lex]

Uh, maybe you don't know. Maybe be the CDC, WHO, and researchers worldwide are lying to us, but they all seem to know...

I know you know this from the other thread but at least WHO allows some wiggle room. For their people doing the contact tracing they recommend NO physical contact and a distance of at least a meter. Plus, no contact with things that possible patients have had contact with.

Before the dude boarded the plane, his temperature was taken. If he had a fever, he would not have been allowed to board the plane.

Here's an interesting exercise - which plane? The one from Liberia to Brussels, right? What about the plane from Brussels to Dulles? Or Dulles to Texas? I presume his temp wasn't taken on the latter two, and he says he didn't have symptoms, so there's probably nothing to worry about.

But, I'm skeptical.

:beer:

 

[cobber]

Uh, maybe you don't know. Maybe be the CDC, WHO, and researchers worldwide are lying to us, but they all seem to know...

WHO


CDC


Before the dude boarded the plane, his temperature was taken. If he had a fever, he would not have been allowed to board the plane.

Fever is relative to your normal body temperature. And did they actually take his temperature, or run all passengers past some sort of scanner? Which assuredly was properly calibrated and in good working order.

We do know he was exposed to at least one person with Ebola, within the incubation window. Sorry, he had no business flying and exposing others to the risk that he was contagious, or might become so in-flight.

And sometimes the conventional wisdom is wrong.

The CDC doesn't recommend monitoring folks who share flights with persons from areas of infections? What could go wrong with that?

I went hiking in Scotland years ago. On return to the US the Customs folks 'decontaminated' my boots. Don't even know if I was exposed to any diseases or in any problematic areas, but they weren't taking chances on that...