Do you TRULY want a good AR-15 or do you want crap?

[Vigilant]

I love to see all you AR "experts" recommending new AR owners spend $2500 on their first gun.

However, they shouldn't be buying that DD Noveske LMT Colt. They should be buying a Radical, $1500 worth of ammo, and $500 worth of training. Once they jump through those hoops, you won't have to recommend much at all.

As I love it when someone who doesn't know who he's talking to or about, says the exact opposite. I DO NOT oppose training at all, but I do oppose cheap, junk rifles/parts, they are NOT all the same. $1500 worth of ammo, and a $500 training class does no one any good, if the platform won't function the whole way through the class! As I've said before, I've sat on the line at several carbine courses that cost me hundreds of dollars, waiting for the instructor or someone to unf*** a "just as good as" rifle. A couple of times, the "jaga" couldn't be fixed, and the said offender was loaned a QUALITY rifle to finish the class. One time, my backup, another time, the instructor's rifle. I really don't care what anyone buys/builds, INGO is made up of compromises, and excuses, look at the threads. JAGA, isn't, and with that, I'm also out.

 

[rugertoter]

Some of us buy an AR-15 that is within our present budget, and we don't expect to go to Hell and back with it, just do some shooting. I have a Del Ton AR, and I paid around 675 or so for it, but it shoots well and seems to be a fairly decent rifle. I bought spare parts and such from Del Ton, so if I have some issues, at least I will have some replacement stuff to fall back on.

I would like to buy a higher-end AR soon, but right now the money is just not there.

 

[churchmouse]

Touchy touchy tonight I see..........

 

[DanVoils]

Touchy touchy tonight I see..........

Yeah, the bowel controlled movements are burning some!

 

[LPMan59]

Personally my favorite is the guy who buys the top tier rifle and optic but can't shoot for ****.Like the guy who shows up to a band audition with a $5000 Les Paul and Marshall full stack but can't play anything but power chords.

 

[RobbyMaQ]

I'm still in the 'using cheap rifle learning to shoot stage'. Based on the experienced shooters I find myself surrounded by, I suspect I will be stuck in this rut until I am dead. I'm ok with that.

Now if everyone would just buy AK's, we wouldn't have these 'Which AR is better' threads

 

[LPMan59]

I'm still in the 'using cheap rifle learning to shoot stage'. Based on the experienced shooters I find myself surrounded by, I suspect I will be stuck in this rut until I am dead. I'm ok with that. Now if everyone would just buy AK's, we wouldn't have these 'Which AR is better' threads

Not sure we have enough room in the landfills for all of those trash can guns

 

[Expat]

Just curious, is the rifle a BCM if it just has a couple BCM parts in it....

 

[JollyMon]

I have seen someone in an advanced level course not know how to remove the bolt from his top tier ar. Having to watch him struggle with that was painful. Training and quality function gear goes hand in hand.

 

[lonehoosier]

Just curious, is the rifle a BCM if it just has a couple BCM parts in it....

According to someone in the classifieds.

 

[Principal Skinr]

So, some in this thread have bashed people for buying expensive weapons, but getting no training. Then, a guy is bashed because he bought the expensive rifle AND advanced training, but for struggling with his bolt.

 

[JollyMon]

So, some in this thread have bashed people for buying expensive weapons, but getting no training. Then, a guy is bashed because he bought the expensive rifle AND advanced training, but for struggling with his bolt.

yep. I am bashing him because he couldn't perform one of the most basic tasks of an AR in an advanced level course. And it's not that he struggled with it, it's that he didn't know how to do it

 

[Trigger Time]

yep. I am bashing him because he couldn't perform one of the most basic tasks of an AR in an advanced level course. And it's not that he struggled with it, it's that he didn't know how to do it

But you haven't told us his ingo handle

 

[avcautoinc]

Just curious, is the rifle a BCM if it just has a couple BCM parts in it....

I was wondering this as well. I'm in the process of building a new ar, i got a psa billet uper and lower set (junk i guess, but i got them for basically free) and i want to know if just putting a bcm barrel and bcg in it would make it bcm worthy?

 

[Woobie]

I was wondering this as well. I'm in the process of building a new ar, i got a psa billet uper and lower set (junk i guess, but i got them for basically free) and i want to know if just putting a bcm barrel and bcg in it would make it bcm worthy?

AR receivers undergo very little stress, especially the lowers. AK's are much harder on receivers. Usually if they fail, it will be around the pivot pin on the lower, or at the threads on the upper. And the holes for the trigger and hammer pins *might* eventually become enlarged. Unless you have a receiver that has been known to fail, they are usually prone to longer life than the BCG and barrel. The miscellaneous handguards have varying degrees of strength when assembled. So do your homework on that. Gas tubes are actually the weak link in rapid fire situations, but as long as you aren't doing a bunch of mag dumps in a row, a quality one will last a very long time.

So the question becomes how well do you assemble it? That will make the biggest difference in upper receiver quality beyond barrel/BCG selection.

 

[Trigger Time]

I was wondering this as well. I'm in the process of building a new ar, i got a psa billet uper and lower set (junk i guess, but i got them for basically free) and i want to know if just putting a bcm barrel and bcg in it would make it bcm worthy?

Billet isn't any better than forged. It is just for better looks really. When I first learned this it blew my mind because billet is so much more expensive so you'd expect it to be a durability thing but nope it's cosmetic. It's a sales ploy.
buying a good barrel and BCG is a great idea. Look at BA Hansen (one of the best accuracy guarantees on the market) and also Daniel defense barrels. Me I'd go with BA hansen or BCM. Also BCG, there are many options. This is an important one. Spikes, BCM, fail zero, Daniel defense. There are lots of worthy options. A good upper receiver is very important. They aren't all created equal and it does handle a lot of stresses. You can find lots of examples of uppers that fail because they didn't use the best material or they were out of spec ect. I think you will be just fine with what you have as long as it is assempled correctly. "Season" your upper threads properly. And torq to spec. Have fun.
i don't think all PSA is crap for the record and even said so.

 

[KG1]

Billet isn't any better than forged. It is just for better looks really. When I first learned this it blew my mind because billet is so much more expensive so you'd expect it to be a durability thing but nope it's cosmetic. It's a sales ploy.
buying a good barrel and BCG is a great idea. Look at BA Hansen (one of the best accuracy guarantees on the market) and also Daniel defense barrels. Me I'd go with BA hansen or BCM. Also BCG, there are many options. This is an important one. Spikes, BCM, fail zero, Daniel defense. There are lots of worthy options. A good upper receiver is very important. They aren't all created equal and it does handle a lot of stresses. You can find lots of examples of uppers that fail because they didn't use the best material or they were out of spec ect. I think you will be just fine with what you have as long as it is assempled correctly. "Season" your upper threads properly. And torq to spec. Have fun.
i don't think all PSA is crap for the record and even said so.

Sound advice TT. I've used a number of BA barrels and have been quite pleased with them. I also decided to give one of their BCG''s a shot. The specs listed on their website appear to hit all the marks in what you want in a BCG and the price is worth giving it a trial. Time will tell. I've said previously, there are other quality options to consider out there and you've named a few.

 

[nipprdog]

According to someone in the classifieds.

Beat me to it. Only part of the lower is BCM, and he lists it as a BCM AR.

 

[Trigger Time]

Beat me to it. Only part of the lower is BCM, and he lists it as a BCM AR.

That's not as bad as the "Daniel defense" I saw that was a pieced together DD upper and some pos lower. Like not even a palmetto or an Anderson. But it was still priced like a Daniel defense

 

[MCgrease08]

I have a BCM gunfighter charging handle on one of my rifles. That means I'm good to go, right?