Director Comey FIRED!!!

[rob63]

I have noticed that my 2 liberal friends that normally send out a flood of stuff every day on Facebook have literally stopped posting anything since Comey's testimony. The media hasn't given up yet, but I think they may have lost what few followers they had left.

 

[churchmouse]

From what I could take away President Trump behaved boorishly, acted unethically, and broke no laws.

He is the head of the executive branch of the United States government and as such could encourage and/or order the FBI to investigate someone or to halt investigating someone. The FBI does not act independently of the government and the director of the FBI answers to the Attorney General of the United States, thereby placing him within the chain of command of the Executive Branch.

Or is there something else I am missing...?

Regards,

Doug

No you are spot on.
There is a total and full on frontal attack on the entire executive branch by the Dems and the MSM.
Any little thing they can spin into something to pile on the office of the POTUS is fair game. The more they throw out there (true or not does not matter) keeps the left and the snowflakes spun up to full speed.

In my life I have never seen this level of hate and attack.

 

[jamil]

Interesting take on Comey's firing.

Trump & Comey -- FBI Director Was Fired for Seeming to Mislead Public | National Review

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Interesting take on Comey's firing.

Trump & Comey -- FBI Director Was Fired for Seeming to Mislead Public | National Review

You beat me to it! Lol!

One interesting fact, and I haven't seen it reported elsewhere, is that Comey testified that in late January, President Trump asked Comey to EXPAND THE INVESTIGATION to the Steele memo, because he wanted it publicly proven wrong and false. Comey declined saying that such an investigation would lead to a media narrative that Trump himself was under investigation.

And then, in his March 20th testimony before Congress, did the unprecendented for an FBI director, publicly confirmed a classified intelligence investigation IN PROGRESS... knowing it would lead to exactly that narrative. (there is a very convincing case that Comey needed to cover his hind-quarters for his own malfeaance)

One question I haven't heard asked, and hence not answered, is were any of the intercepted communications originated from Trump Tower? If so, were any of those unmasked and by whom?

This leaves the door open that while "Obama" might not have personally ordered a "wiretap" (i.e. alligator clips on posts), Obama political appointees might very well have listened in, or read transcripts of telephone conversations originating from Trump Tower. That my friends, would truly exceed Watergate, IMO.

 

[BugI02]

Trey Gowdy picked to lead House Oversight Committee | Fox News

This is beginning to give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. I lack sufficient info/background to decide if Mueller will seek out wrongdoing on both sides of the aisle and resolve the dangling issues, or simply try to contain the damage. Gowdy is the type of bulldog we need pushing for a full accounting

 

[hoosierdoc]

Is Comey's reflections of conversations he was part of really a "leak?"

By my understanding any conversation with president is automatically privileged so yes

the neat thing is he earlier said he was neither directly or indirectly an anonymous source of leaks. Then admitted he gave his memo to a third party to be leaked in response to a tweet. But NYT had already referenced the memo prior to the tweet, so... two lies? Any of them under oath?

 

[Kutnupe14]

By my understanding any conversation with president is automatically privileged so yes

the neat thing is he earlier said he was neither directly or indirectly an anonymous source of leaks. Then admitted he gave his memo to a third party to be leaked in response to a tweet. But NYT had already referenced the memo prior to the tweet, so... two lies? Any of them under oath?

If that's true, then I would consider it a leak too... but I do not believe that is true. The idea that a president, simply by the nature of his position, is entitled to deem his own personal conversations, outside of policy and classified information, as privileged is pretty ridiculous.

Edit: Further, the NYT did not reference the memo prior to the leak, but rather information contained within it. Information that Comey stated, during his hearing, that he had spoken about to other members of the FBI, meaning that there were other people within the FBI that possessed the knowledge. You are going have to eliminate those other persons, who obviously Comey trusted and who obviously had a similar disdain for Trump, as not being the persons who provided that info to the NYT.

 

[Fargo]

If that's true, then I would consider it a leak too... but I do not believe that is true. The idea that a president, simply by the nature of his position, is entitled to deem his own personal conversations, outside of policy and classified information, as privileged is pretty ridiculous.

As Comey is a lawyer who works as a direct appointed subordinate of the chief executive, there is at least a decent argument that information discussed or disclosed within the scope of his employment would be privileged. As I understand it, the president elected to not assert privilege in regard to his testimony, which in hindsight looks like it was probably a pretty smart move.

Would you consider it leaking if you took private statements/directives of the Carmel police chief about a case your department was investigating to the media because you wanted to influence how your department was investigating it? How about if you disclosed internal documents prepared in the scope of your employment to the media in an attempt to influence an investigation?

 

[1DOWN4UP]

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fd-291.pdf/viewFBI employment agreement

 

[Kutnupe14]

As Comey is a lawyer who works as a direct appointed subordinate of the chief executive, there is at least a decent argument that information discussed or disclosed within the scope of his employment would be privileged. As I understand it, the president elected to not assert privilege in regard to his testimony, which in hindsight looks like it was probably a pretty smart move.

Would you consider it leaking if you took private statements/directives of the Carmel police chief about a case your department was investigating to the media because you wanted to influence how your department was investigating it? How about if you disclosed internal documents prepared in the scope of your employment to the media in an attempt to influence an investigation?

No, leaking implies an illegal action... at least IMO, and considering what this administration has called "leaks" thus far. This is more of an instance of whistleblowing, where the information is able to be released to the public without legal consequences.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

So....you loved him,then you hated him,then you loved him,....now do you hate him again?

 

[Kutnupe14]

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fd-291.pdf/viewFBI employment agreement

That form really doesn't clear anything up. It just essentially says "don't do it" or the offender may be disciplined, fired, or criminally charged. Obviously that depends on the information released. If Comey was still the director of the FBI, I could see him being disciplined or fired.... but he's no longer the director, and there isn't anything criminal about his actions.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So....you loved him,then you hated him,then you loved him,....now do you hate him again?

Michael Jackon? Yes, it's an everyday struggle.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Interesting take on Comey's firing.

Trump & Comey -- FBI Director Was Fired for Seeming to Mislead Public | National Review

They seem perplexed that Trump would handle things as he did when he could potentially have prevented a situation with a special counsel investigation. Perhaps Trump is deliberately escalating this nonsense into a winner take all nuclear war which he sees himself winning.

 

[Kutnupe14]

They seem perplexed that Trump would handle things as he did when he could potentially have prevented a situation with a special counsel investigation. Perhaps Trump is deliberately escalating this nonsense into a winner take all nuclear war which he sees himself winning.

Risky. Think of all the grief he could have avoided if he had simply kept his mouth shut in a number of situations.

 

[churchmouse]

Risky. Think of all the grief he could have avoided if he had simply kept his mouth shut in a number of situations.

This may be the reality star coming out in him.

 

[Fargo]

No, leaking implies an illegal action... at least IMO, and considering what this administration has called "leaks" thus far. This is more of an instance of whistleblowing, where the information is able to be released to the public without legal consequences.

I guess I have never considered leaking to have to include an element of illegality. I always thought it was disclosing your .gov employers private/internal information without authorization.
I am hard-pressed how giving internal FBI memos to a law professor constitutes whistleblowing, particularly when done surreptitiously.

 

[Alamo]

"Whistleblower" my @$$. He was director of the FBI for crying out loud, not some schlub buried in the bureaucracy with no recourse. If he thought he Trump was doing something illegal he could have told the AG an investigation needed to be opened, and if the AG refused, he could have resigned. But he knew there was nothing illegal, so he tried political manipulation and it blew up in his face. A weasel caught in his own trap. He had a huge chance to lead a high profile investigation of an actual crime last summer, but instead he took orders from Grammy Lynch and squelched it.


T'would be karmic justice if Comey found himself under investigation by the Special Prosecutor that he "arranged" to be appointed.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I guess I have never considered leaking to have to include an element of illegality. I always thought it was disclosing your .gov employers private/internal information without authorization.
I am hard-pressed how giving internal FBI memos to a law professor constitutes whistleblowing, particularly when done surreptitiously.

You don't have to like what Comey did. You just have to acknowledge it's protected speech.

 

[Kutnupe14]

"Whistleblower" my @$$. He was director of the FBI for crying out loud, not some schlub buried in the bureaucracy with no recourse. If he thought he Trump was doing something illegal he could have told the AG an investigation needed to be opened, and if the AG refused, he could have resigned. But he knew there was nothing illegal, so he tried political manipulation and it blew up in his face. A weasel caught in his own trap. He had a huge chance to lead a high profile investigation of an actual crime last summer, but instead he took orders from Grammy Lynch and squelched it.


T'would be karmic justice if Comey found himself under investigation by the Special Prosecutor that he "arranged" to be appointed.

"Blew up in his face?" Are you kidding? This is unfolding exactly the way Comey wanted, and put a big target on the president's back. Trump ran his mouth, and Comey stuck it to him. We are now in a situation of which of two men are the more truthful...which heavily favors Comey.