Did Law Change? Unreal incident at clinic...

[Roadie]

OC is so risky for a civilian because it only takes one person who doesn't approve to say something and suddenly your LTCH is just a piece of paper and somehow you're a criminal for carrying and you deserve to be examined as closely as possible in hopes that you might have something out of order. I prefer to fly below the radar.

How many times does it have to be said? This is NOT the OC/CC Debate thread! The OC already happened, so debating it in this thread is:

A: Off topic
B: Pointless

 

[ATM]

OC is so risky...

...I prefer to fly below the radar.

That's the reason criminals do it. There are better reasons than fear.

 

[LionWeight]

I am going to the college in the morning to change my major to auto mechanics..I don't want to be a part of this bull****.

PLEASE rethink this statement. Are you telling me that what you dealt with is the only kind of people we need to be LEO's? There are good and bad in everything and hopefully things balance out somewhere where they need to be. But to give up a chosen profession because of this issue is the wrong road to take.

IMHO

 

[Kutnupe14]

I open carry because it is the most comfortable form of carry for me. Period. Why do police open carry? Is it the same reason why they leave their cars running even if their in a 19 hour standoff? I have heard the car stays on because it is just another obstacle they want to avoid when responding to a call. Adjusting my shirt to pull out my weapon is an obstacle I don't want either.

But, why do police open carry? I was told I am not tactical and I am the first target..great? I accept that if it is the truth. But he's not a first target? HE is a deterrent because of his uniform? Negative.

and I didn't throw anyone under the bus because I didn't mention that officers name. But realistically you'd think he'd say "Hey guys I know this guy, no way hes doing anything wrong and he paid me $200 for that illegal tint on his car.." instead he treated me like he's never seen me in my life. It was excellent to see how people act in different environments. He was my ***** when he screwed up the tint and had to fix it at mercy and for no money, but when he's got the shield on I am his *****.

You certainly attempted to throw the guy under the bus. You stated that an officer put illegal tint on your vehicle. Fact of the matter, there is no such thing as illegal tint. A person can have limo tint 360 around their vehicle, and it's perfectly legal.... it becomes illegal, when a person operates it on a public highway.

 

[watkins1988]

No, we got that you don't like OC, but I think we were trying to stick to the point instead of derailing the conversation into yet another of the dozens of discussions on the relative merits of CC vs OC already on INGO.

i wasnt turning it into a debate. if i see someone open carrying i could care less. its just that it seems like we hear about one of these situations about once a week. you can spend a bunch of money on a lawyer and get nowhere or you could just let it go. because thats where he is gonna get with this...nowhere.

 

[ATM]

...its just that it seems like we hear about one of these situations about once a week...

That is fantastic news! (It used to be twice a week. )

Thanks, those of you who are willing to clear up the misinformation and make things better for all Indiana gun carriers!

 

[rbsangler]

When one makes the, perfectly legal, choice to OC, unfortunately, that choice invites the unwanted attentions of the uneducated. This is why I always choose to CC, I do not have time to suffer fools. If OP had simply chose to CC, he would not be facing all of the hassles that have been described here-within. Exercising ones RIGHTS, sometimes, is more time consuming than should be.

 

[ATM]

When one makes the, perfectly legal, choice to OC, unfortunately, that choice invites the unwanted attentions of the uneducated. This is why I always choose to CC, I do not have time to suffer fools. If OP had simply chose to CC, he would not be facing all of the hassles that have been described here-within. Exercising ones RIGHTS, sometimes, is more time consuming than should be.

If patriots had simply chosen to submit 236 years ago, think of how much more time we'd all save without any rights to exercise.

If you don't make time to suffer a few fools and the related hassle, they will likely end up ruling you by sheer numbers and greater levels of activity.

 

[Bunnykid68]

When one makes the, perfectly legal, choice to OC, unfortunately, that choice invites the unwanted attentions of the uneducated. This is why I always choose to CC, I do not have time to suffer fools. If OP had simply chose to CC, he would not be facing all of the hassles that have been described here-within. Exercising ones RIGHTS, sometimes, is more time consuming than should be.

It is people like the OP suffering fools which helps allow others not to suffer those same fools

 

[Rookie]

When one makes the, perfectly legal, choice to OC, unfortunately, that choice invites the unwanted attentions of the uneducated. This is why I always choose to CC, I do not have time to suffer fools. If OP had simply chose to CC, he would not be facing all of the hassles that have been described here-within. Exercising ones RIGHTS, sometimes, is more time consuming than should be.

You can continue to hide your rights under your shirt. Others will continue to be willing to stand up for their rights. You're welcome.

 

[public servant]

You can continue to hide your rights under your shirt. Others will continue to be willing to stand up for their rights. You're welcome.

This is what annoys me about many OCers. Because a person prefers to CC they are automatically wrong.

I OC at work and CC away from work. I'm not hiding it. I'm exercising my right to CC. You're free to make your own choice.

You're welcome.

 

[Rookie]

This is what annoys me about many OCers. Because a person prefers to CC they are automatically wrong.

I OC at work and CC away from work. I'm not hiding it. I'm exercising my right to CC. You're free to make your own choice.

You're welcome.

How many times have you heard me say that I'll support whatever choice you make? Take a look at almost all the thread jacks, I'll wait.

 

[public servant]

How many times have you heard me say that I'll support whatever choice you make? Take a look at almost all the thread jacks, I'll wait.

I'm only looking at the one I quoted above. It's not in that post. In that post he owes you "thanks".

He made his choice...you made yours. Move on.

 

[Rookie]

This is what annoys me about many OCers. Because a person prefers to CC they are automatically wrong.

You realize this statement is utter crap, right? Show me a post where someone jumps into a thread and (being actually serious) states that you should OC and condemns someone for their choice to CC.

 

[phatgemi]

Come on guys, there are plenty of loopholes in HIPPA regs. Normally there isn't any problem giving some info to police responding to a call. You would be hard pressed to win on this point.





QUOTE=Roadie;2232373]That is an interesting point. So the question is, legally, can HIPAA be broken by giving info to the Police during an investigation, without a warrant?

So, I did some research.

When does the Privacy Rule allow covered entities to disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials?

This seems to indicate a written request would be required, at the least, for PHI to be released to a Police Officer..

IANAL, I didnt stay at Holiday Inn Express, etc[/QUOTE]

 

[ATM]

This is what annoys me about many OCers. Because a person prefers to CC they are automatically wrong...

I never see that, though the reasons given for the preference are sometimes questionable.

The assumption that fools and any related attention based on their ignorance are better avoided than corrected seems to be some sort of universal excuse to "gently correct" the poor misguided OCers who obviously don't know that it easier to just hide it.

That presumption got called.

Those who are actually willing to endure such hassle don't care so much how others carry, but they should probably get a bit more support from other carriers at the least.

 

[Denny347]

I would really like to know what LEOs are taught concerning the laws of the state. I hear enough about "officer safety," but never anything -- with a few exceptions -- about citizen's rights.

Academy training is Constitutional Law. Very little if any specific Indiana law. That is learned on the job.

 

[Scutter01]

Can we get this back on track and away from this stupid OC/CC debate? It's been done. The thread was going great.

 

[buford t justice]

This OC vs CC is like religion it always turns into name calling,it's like were back in grade school.

 

[Que]

Academy training is Constitutional Law. Very little if any specific Indiana law. That is learned on the job.

Thanks, Denny. However, if it is learned on the job, how is it taught and who teaches? Also, are these classes mandatory and necessary to be allowed on the street? It appears the classes are voluntary, according to the number of errors that are posted on INGO. I'm not saying all threads are reported with 100% facts, but there are enough to give some credence to the notion that OJT about Indiana law is terribly lacking in the LE community.