Coronovirus IV

[DadSmith]

Best of luck on your trek to that "other" VA hospital DadSmith

It's my Saturday once again on week (I lost count) of my farmed-out job at the hospital. It has been a lot easier since they started allowing one visitor per patient (if it's not ER.) Inpatient areas are end of life situations for visitors, all coordinated with the unit, limit two at a time. All must be over 18.

There are about five reasons on the checklist to have the one visitor (over 18) with the patient. The easy ones are "in a wheelchair" and "being sedated". Since our patients skew a bit older (nearly half are 65-85) there are a lot who can bring in their spouse/child. "Sir, does your wife have to repeat things for you because you don't hear well?" while nodding my head up and down usually gets an affirmative. If I'm doing that, they need to go with the patient.

More to follow...

Lol I've had a few write down what they just said. I read lips and use my hearing aid. I hear sounds but to understand I watch their lips move. I put sound and lip movement together and guess what was just said. My boys learned how to communicate with me. They even decipher my hand writing

 

[JettaKnight]

It's Friday, so time to lighten up a bit.

Study Finds Anyone Who Makes A Different Decision To Wear A Mask Than You Is A Brainwashed Sheep

 

[KellyinAvon]

Lol I've had a few write down what they just said. I read lips and use my hearing aid. I hear sounds but to understand I watch their lips move. I put sound and lip movement together and guess what was just said. My boys learned how to communicate with me. They even decipher my hand writing

The checklists should be pretty similar since it's all guidance out of the VA Central Office (swamp-dwellers who don't actually see patients, provide prescriptions, get GI's tuition paid, back mortgages, or provide grave markers. Get my drift??) so you would definitely be able to go in with a family member. If I was there anyway...

 

[KellyinAvon]

It's Friday, so time to lighten up a bit.

Study Finds Anyone Who Makes A Different Decision To Wear A Mask Than You Is A Brainwashed Sheep

I thought this was going to link to an INGO thread

 

[nonobaddog]

It's Friday, so time to lighten up a bit.

Study Finds Anyone Who Makes A Different Decision To Wear A Mask Than You Is A Brainwashed Sheep

It knew this all along -

At publishing time, researchers had also discovered that all your opinions are absolute truth.

It is about time they disclosed this and published these scientific findings.

 

[hoosierdoc]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

unintended consequences. ends justifying means. #orangemanbad. sorry a lot of people died, but we HAD to get trump out of office

I am eagerly awaiting the next few year's mortality data for cancer, heart disease, and stroke. I predict massive improvements in numbers gradually falling back to the usual numbers. which will look like rapid worsening, which will lead some to demand drastic restrictions in high fat foods and carbs

 

[KellyinAvon]

Best of luck on your trek to that "other" VA hospital DadSmith

It's my Saturday once again on week (I lost count) of my farmed-out job at the hospital. It has been a lot easier since they started allowing one visitor per patient (if it's not ER.) Inpatient areas are end of life situations for visitors, all coordinated with the unit, limit two at a time. All must be over 18.

There are about five reasons on the checklist to have the one visitor (over 18) with the patient. The easy ones are "in a wheelchair" and "being sedated". Since our patients skew a bit older (nearly half are 65-85) there are a lot who can bring in their spouse/child. "Sir, does your wife have to repeat things for you because you don't hear well?" while nodding my head up and down usually gets an affirmative. If I'm doing that, they need to go with the patient.

More to follow...

As promised...

First of all, mad props to HoosierDoc. Some of the patients I send to the ER... WOW!!

This week's highlights:

Tweakers Vol I: At about 75 feet the voice in my head yelled, "METH-HEADS!!" A tweaker couple, he had about a 0.25 second attention span and I could get he wanted to go to the ER. She was bound and determined to come in and use a vending machine despite the "ER=hard NO on visitors" policy. On the third time around of saying NO to her, the guy is somewhere between James Carville and Daffy Duck. At that point I gave the International-signal to my co-worker for, "CALL THE POLICE!" They went outside, then the Po-Po showed up and they all had a good chat.

Vending machine girl stayed outside, dude comes back in with the Po-Po and I finally after several tries got him to answer the screening questions. Then he wants to go to a vending machine! WTAF-OVER??!! After a couple tries the Po-Po stepped in and told him his destination was the ER.

Tweaker II: Last evening get close to quitting time (for me anyway) I spotted this one coming in from Ezkenazi way. Rain poncho, big bag. This one thankfully wasn't immune to my Senior NCO voice (it comes out every now and then, usually followed by looking over my glasses) and I got him to focus long enough to say he needed to go to the ER and answer all the questions. Scary, when he'd focus he seemed perfectly fine. When he lost focus (to quote the late Keith Jackson) WHOA NELLIE!!

Again, mad props HoosierDoc, plus to all the Docs, Nurses, EMTs, and LEOs who will deal with this long after I go back to deciding "column or pie chart?" on a full-time basis.

 

[jedi]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/business/malls-reopening-stores-macys-simon-property-group/index.html

This is SO STUPID!
no point in going to the mall with all those restrictions.
Just buy online as you cant even try on cloths anymore.

 

[Ingomike]

It's Friday, so time to lighten up a bit.

Study Finds Anyone Who Makes A Different Decision To Wear A Mask Than You Is A Brainwashed Sheep

Actually there likely is a kernel of truth in that satire.

I think healthy, not at risk, are sheep for doing so out on general public. I can post many links on the dangers of mask wear.

The mask wearing crowd thinks I am a sheep, true enough, but what it is that I'm blindly following, to be considered a sheep, is unclear.

There are no scientific studies on C-19 and mask wear in public...

 

[T.Lex]

I've taken to wearing a mask when going out in public.

First, they don't really bother me. The surgical style ones (BTW, I got a pack of about 50 a few years ago because it was cheap and I was doing some DIY work that created alot of dust) allow me to breath fine. It isn't like I'm doing alot of physical exertion when I'm grocery shopping.

Second, I'm just outside the parameters for a couple risk groups. Not exactly in the risk groups, but not exactly excluded, either. If I caught this, there could be real problems.

Finally, like taking vitamin C every morning, it is cheap risk mitigation. It helps me a little and, because I do interact with people and things, it helps prevent me from spreading anything I might be asymptomatic for. I understand the concept that the masks are more about preventing whatever I have from getting to someone else. But, like that graphic/meme pointed out, if I'm wearing one and the other people are wearing one, then we're both incrementally more protected.

Perhaps ironically, I only wore gloves for a few trips when it seemed like it might really be out of control. I wash my hands and use sanitizer, so that vector is already addressed.

I don't consider myself part of the sheeple. (But do any of the sheeple consider themselves that?)

 

[JettaKnight]

Actually there likely is a kernel of truth in that satire.

I think healthy, not at risk, are sheep for doing so out on general public. I can post many links on the dangers of mask wear.

The mask wearing crowd thinks I am a sheep, true enough, but what it is that I'm blindly following, to be considered a sheep, is unclear.

There are no scientific studies on C-19 and mask wear in public...

Maybe to you...

 

[Phase2]

There are no scientific studies on C-19 and mask wear in public...

That's because there is no way to control the variables enough to produce a usable study. However, there are studies on use in controlled environments and how it affects disease transmission. It can't perfectly imitate environments with people moving around freely and all in different exposures that are impossible to measure.

Dr. John Campbell discusses a study that just came out. He wasn't originally convinced of the effectiveness of masks, but has come to buy into their benefit. First 15 minutes are significant, the rest if fluff.

[video=youtube;zhQw7vLNsDA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQw7vLNsDA[/video]

Micro version:
Experiment used Covid-19 infected hamsters and non-infected hamsters and a fan to push air from the infected to non-infected.
Case #1- Placed filter (equivalent to surgical mask) around infected hamsters. 15% transmission and lighter viral load.
Case #2- Placed filter (equivalent to surgical mask) around non-infected hamsters. 33% transmission and lighter viral load.
Case #3- No filter. 66% transmission and heavier viral load.
Comment- Would have been interesting for completeness to see what filters on both groups achieved.

There are links to additional info at the YouTube page.

 

[HoughMade]

That's because there is no way to control the variables enough to produce a usable study. However, there are studies on use in controlled environments and how it affects disease transmission. It can't perfectly imitate environments with people moving around freely and all in different exposures that are impossible to measure.

Dr. John Campbell discusses a study that just came out. He wasn't originally convinced of the effectiveness of masks, but has come to buy into their benefit. First 15 minutes are significant, the rest if fluff.

[video=youtube;zhQw7vLNsDA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQw7vLNsDA[/video]

Micro version:
Experiment used disease infected hamsters and non-infected hamsters and a fan to push air from the infected to non-infected.
Case #1- Placed filter (equivalent to surgical mask) around infected hamsters. 15% transmission and lighter viral load.
Case #2- Placed filter (equivalent to surgical mask) around non-infected hamsters. 33% transmission and lighter viral load.
Case #3- No filter. 66% transmission and heavier viral load.
Comment- Would have been interesting for completeness to see what filters on both groups achieved.

There are links to additional info at the YouTube page.

Careful, you're challenging a matter of belief. Facts only take us so far.

 

[nonobaddog]

I've taken to wearing a mask when going out in public.

First, they don't really bother me. The surgical style ones (BTW, I got a pack of about 50 a few years ago because it was cheap and I was doing some DIY work that created alot of dust) allow me to breath fine. It isn't like I'm doing alot of physical exertion when I'm grocery shopping.

Second, I'm just outside the parameters for a couple risk groups. Not exactly in the risk groups, but not exactly excluded, either. If I caught this, there could be real problems.

Finally, like taking vitamin C every morning, it is cheap risk mitigation. It helps me a little and, because I do interact with people and things, it helps prevent me from spreading anything I might be asymptomatic for. I understand the concept that the masks are more about preventing whatever I have from getting to someone else. But, like that graphic/meme pointed out, if I'm wearing one and the other people are wearing one, then we're both incrementally more protected.

Perhaps ironically, I only wore gloves for a few trips when it seemed like it might really be out of control. I wash my hands and use sanitizer, so that vector is already addressed.

I don't consider myself part of the sheeple. (But do any of the sheeple consider themselves that?)

I haven't had to wear a mask yet but I definitely would wear a mask if I wanted to go inside any building other than my house or cabin. I would wear it mainly to protect me and if it protects others that is just a bonus. If that makes me a sheep then Baaaa. I don't see it myself and what others think doesn't bother me. I am old and therefore vulnerable but not eager to die yet or even stay in a hospital as a paying guest so to me it just makes sense. I respect everyone's right to decide for themselves.

I did get two 95% masks from a friend and as rarely as I expect to need one that should be all I need. I will just wear one and let it sit for a week before it is in line for wearing it again.

 

[Phase2]

Careful, you're challenging a matter of belief. Facts only take us so far.

A nimble mind is able to take in new information and re-evaluate their beliefs.

I wish those governors who would keep people under house arrest and not allow them to move even outdoors would be more nimble-minded.

 

[HoughMade]

I've taken to wearing a mask when going out in public.

First, they don't really bother me. The surgical style ones (BTW, I got a pack of about 50 a few years ago because it was cheap and I was doing some DIY work that created alot of dust) allow me to breath fine. It isn't like I'm doing alot of physical exertion when I'm grocery shopping.

Second, I'm just outside the parameters for a couple risk groups. Not exactly in the risk groups, but not exactly excluded, either. If I caught this, there could be real problems.

Finally, like taking vitamin C every morning, it is cheap risk mitigation. It helps me a little and, because I do interact with people and things, it helps prevent me from spreading anything I might be asymptomatic for. I understand the concept that the masks are more about preventing whatever I have from getting to someone else. But, like that graphic/meme pointed out, if I'm wearing one and the other people are wearing one, then we're both incrementally more protected.

Perhaps ironically, I only wore gloves for a few trips when it seemed like it might really be out of control. I wash my hands and use sanitizer, so that vector is already addressed.

I don't consider myself part of the sheeple. (But do any of the sheeple consider themselves that?)

I wear a mask in stores which are the only places I go inside other than my office outside my home. Oops, actually church started back up in person last week. I wear a mask there as well. I am taking a deposition next week wearing a mask by request of the deponent (a physician).

I wash my hands any time I touch something outside of my own property or my personal office. I do not touch my face until I do wash. I wash my hands about 5 times a day while at work which coincides with any time I leave my personal office, which always has the door closed.

As an aside, I have done 2 deposition by Zoom and there was a Court of Appeals oral argument via Zoom this morning on one of my cases, but my partner did the argument.

 

[T.Lex]

As an aside, I have done 2 deposition by Zoom and there was a Court of Appeals oral argument via Zoom this morning on one of my cases, but my partner did the argument.

I did a Zoom depo last year because we were an ancillary party and the client didn't want to pay for us to travel/stay overnight for it. It was fine. Other attorneys in the office have had pandemic Zoom depos. Some have been really difficult, especially with exhibits. Lots more logistics involved.

The App. Ct. oral argument by Zoom would be interesting. Given the small delay, the interrupting questions could get awkward. It also seems like, other than the judges on the bench, it would be easy to socially distance for that and do it in person.

 

[nonobaddog]

Actually there likely is a kernel of truth in that satire.

I think healthy, not at risk, are sheep for doing so out on general public. I can post many links on the dangers of mask wear.

The mask wearing crowd thinks I am a sheep, true enough, but what it is that I'm blindly following, to be considered a sheep, is unclear.

There are no scientific studies on C-19 and mask wear in public...

I think the dangers of mask wear are over stated. I can find a lot of studies on the dangers of wearing a tie too - also over stated. This may not be a scientific study but just look at the numbers for Hong Kong and the other Asian countries that wear masks a lot. Their death rates are much lower than ours in spite of their high population density. I'm glad I have the freedom to choose.

 

[nonobaddog]

I wear a mask in stores which are the only places I go inside other than my office outside my home. Oops, actually church started back up in person last week. I wear a mask there as well. I am taking a deposition next week wearing a mask by request of the deponent (a physician).

I wash my hands any time I touch something outside of my own property or my personal office. I do not touch my face until I do wash. I wash my hands about 5 times a day while at work which coincides with any time I leave my personal office, which always has the door closed.

As an aside, I have done 2 deposition by Zoom and there was a Court of Appeals oral argument via Zoom this morning on one of my cases, but my partner did the argument.

Have you had a security issues using Zoom? Any pornography popping up during the legal proceedings?

 

[Denny347]

has there been an antibody study that showed only a 10-fold undercount?

but yes, most people are yet to be infected. also bear in mind it wasn't predicted that most would be infected even without social distancing measures

2.2 million dead was based on the 2-3% mortality rate they lied about

I would LOVE to see a study of family members of known positives. what percent of same house members did NOT convert to positive? same sinks. same beds. same kitchen.

Of course it's anecdotal, but many of my co-workers who tested positive were the only ones to get the virus in their house.