Coronovirus III

[jedi]

My father in law’s heart valve replacement was canceled as an elective procedure. Hopefully the new guidelines will fix that.

I'm going to need a citation for that.

...and no, a cite just saying the virus lives for 3 hours doesn't cut it.

...and no one ever said 6 feet anywhere was safe. They said it reduces the risk of spread and it does, anywhere.

They already posted the study for you.
But a reminder the 3 hour rule is for 50% half life.
The c-virus at 3 hours in the air is only 50% death. 6 hours is needed in air (floating) to fully kill the c-virus.

Sunlight will decrease that time bit to what amount I cant find any study saying. Thus outdoors your chance of getting the c-virus is far less than if you go to Walmart with all those people coughing/sneezing/breathing. Worse is being in a plane with recycled air!

You going inside a bldg wear a respirator with P100 filters.

 

[HoughMade]

They already posted the study for you.
But a reminder the 3 hour rule is for 50% half life.
The c-virus at 3 hours in the air is only 50% death. 6 hours is needed in air (floating) to fully kill the c-virus.

Sunlight will decrease that time bit to what amount I cant find any study saying. Thus outdoors your chance of getting the c-virus is far less than if you go to Walmart with all those people coughing/sneezing/breathing. Worse is being in a plane with recycled air!

You going inside a bldg wear a respirator with P100 filters.

I saw that, but in no way does that indicate that a single virus particle (whatever particles that started out would be dispersed) could travel through the air for miles in the wind and infect someone. That was the claim....I understand it was noted as being low odds, but I'm not so sure "low" is low enough for that claim.

 

[T.Lex]

 

[nonobaddog]

I saw that, but in no way does that indicate that a single virus particle (whatever particles that started out would be dispersed) could travel through the air for miles in the wind and infect someone. That was the claim....I understand it was noted as being low odds, but I'm not so sure "low" is low enough for that claim.

Can you give any sane reason why a virus aerosol that has a half life of 3 hours floating in the air would not get blown for miles in the wind?
Or are you disputing that a single virus aerosol could infect someone?

 

[HoughMade]

Can you give any sane reason why a virus aerosol that has a half life of 3 hours floating in the air would not get blown for miles in the wind?
Or are you disputing that a single virus aerosol could infect someone?

Neither. I'm saying there is no evidence of this happening.

 

[nonobaddog]

Neither. I'm saying there is no evidence of this happening.

And there never will be.
Nobody can track virus aerosols in the wind.
If it ever did happen it would be called a "community spread" infection.

I would bet it has happened over a greater distance than most people would guess.

This is a picture of fleets of trucks trying to kill airborne virus in wuhan china.

 

[HoughMade]

That they are spraying is evidence of what, exactly?

 

[jedi]

My father in law’s heart valve replacement was canceled as an elective procedure. Hopefully the new guidelines will fix that.

I saw that, but in no way does that indicate that a single virus particle (whatever particles that started out would be dispersed) could travel through the air for miles in the wind and infect someone. That was the claim....I understand it was noted as being low odds, but I'm not so sure "low" is low enough for that claim.

[video=youtube_share;K5kR1zhVjAc]https://youtu.be/K5kR1zhVjAc[/video]

This may help in showing how the particles travel in air and how far.

Me the few times I'm forced to go to jewel/walmart/homedepot for stuff I'm wearing my full mask respirator or 1/2 mask with the P100 filters.

I'm not taking a chance.

 

[jedi]

My father in law’s heart valve replacement was canceled as an elective procedure. Hopefully the new guidelines will fix that.

Neither. I'm saying there is no evidence of this happening.

Yes there is. Here is a study of the public bus and how people where being infected. Again this is a closed system.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1182008.shtml

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Until FB and Twitter decide it's "misinformation" and remove it.

Yeah, that’s a growing problem.

 

[HoughMade]

[video=youtube_share;K5kR1zhVjAc]https://youtu.be/K5kR1zhVjAc[/video]

This may help in showing how the particles travel in air and how far.

Me the few times I'm forced to go to jewel/walmart/homedepot for stuff I'm wearing my full mask respirator or 1/2 mask with the P100 filters.

I'm not taking a chance.

That is an interesting and informative video....and would seem to support my position that virus particles floating MILES through the outdoors (which is all I ever said) are not causing infections.

 

[Dead Duck]

***YOU'RE

 

[Phase2]

***YOU'RE

You should tap him on the shoulder and let him know his mistake.

 

[jedi]

@Houghmade I agree with you on the outside part.
(Had to get on the laptop cause the phone text is just way to small and that double post is pissing me off, just fixed it).

Outside on a sunny day I am not concerned about someone coughing in the park walking trail and then me picking it up.
The chances of that are low. Unless that sick person is next to you and coughs right at you. Then you are getting a full blast of the C-Virus right at you. Wonder if the case could be made that assault was just done on you. Whole other topic.

It is INSIDE that I am more concerned with due to the recycling of the air, no sunlight to help destroy the C-Virus.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't understand the people who - according to some polling - want to stay shut down until it is "safe."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariels...s-safe-coronavirus-cuomo-newsom/#34a41c05d070

What does that even mean?

There's clearly a lack of understanding about how this works. And, regardless of one's position on Trump, it sets him up for a trick-bag. Whenever we "re-open" there will be another spike/bump/increase. Ideally, it will be small. But, it will appear that we "re-opened" before it was "safe."

And, IMHO, that's the same whether we re-open tomorrow or July 1. My understanding is that whenever we start letting people interact more, there will be a period of more cases.

"Safer" can be a thing, but not the absolute "safe."

In my opinion it is because they believe we can stop the spread and then they can come out of their burrows and be completely safe, never having had to deal with it. Not realizing that the spread will spread no matter what humans do...

 

[JettaKnight]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...zKdZmTSg5rVkCPh-Yco0QUWK2qSzuCNNDDnPlgYgZ9EEw

omg, 16 people in a church that holds 293. Yeah I know more then ten, but that nit picky stage. Plus I question the authority to enforce this on churches based on the Constitution and first amendment. Don’t get me wrong, churches should not be full but that should the decision of the churches going by the government’s recommendation.

From the sound of it, I suspect that these church members adhere to the doctrine of "priesthood of all believers", so, they don't really have to come together in a building set aside for a specific purpose to live out their faith.

 

[HoughMade]

Well, that's what you want in a state Supreme Court. Just make stuff up as you go along because you think it's a good idea.

https://www.in.gov/judiciary/files/order-other-2020-20S-MS-258a.pdf

 

[nonobaddog]

That they are spraying is evidence of what, exactly?

I'd say it is evidence that there were some officials in wuhan that thought airborne virus was enough of a threat that they built lots of spray trucks and drove them around.
Were they correct? I don't know. Maybe they are really stupid people and didn't do any testing. I doubt if they will tell us.

 

[Ingomike]

@Houghmade I agree with you on the outside part.
(Had to get on the laptop cause the phone text is just way to small and that double post is pissing me off, just fixed it).

Outside on a sunny day I am not concerned about someone coughing in the park walking trail and then me picking it up.
The chances of that are low. Unless that sick person is next to you and coughs right at you. Then you are getting a full blast of the C-Virus right at you. Wonder if the case could be made that assault was just done on you. Whole other topic.

It is INSIDE that I am more concerned with due to the recycling of the air, no sunlight to help destroy the C-Virus.

As I understand it all you are doing is putting off the almost inevitable, my understanding is near 80% of us must deal with it. I hope I had it and if not just get it over with. Only reason for shelter in place was to not max out healthcare resources.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'd say it is evidence that there were some officials in wuhan that thought airborne virus was enough of a threat that they built lots of spray trucks and drove them around.
Were they correct? I don't know. Maybe they are really stupid people and didn't do any testing. I doubt if they will tell us.

I'm guessing those trucks had been used in the past for insect spray.

Doing "lots of stuff" makes the provincial govt look good in the eyes of the Beijing.