Coronovirus III

[nonobaddog]

Sound of Sirens

[video=youtube;wZsfy8AD_S0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsfy8AD_S0[/video]

 

[smokingman]

https://covid19-projections.com/us-in


Another view. The error margin gets larger the further out. I like some about the model,but no it is not perfect.They do point out some of the flaws with the IHME model as have many others including myself. It is still just a model though,but hopefully helpful. https://covid19-projections.com/about/#how-our-model-is-different

 

[Ziggidy]

 

[T.Lex]

The projections were "wrong" because we changed our behavior.

In all honesty, I'm impatient. I want to go to my kids' events. I want to meet up with our friends. I want to go to our favorite restaurants. Heck, I even want to go to restaurants that I didn't like all that much.

But, when I look objectively at the numbers, I have real concerns that it is too early. It might not be. The capacity numbers are good, and I happen to know first-hand that there are contingencies in place if things go back to being on track for REALLY bad. But, we do not appear to have control over the transmission rate or deaths.

Selfishly, I want this to end May 1 in my county. Realistically, there is considerable risk in that.

 

[HoughMade]

Never have square footage and acreage been more appreciated.

 

[Ziggidy]

The projections were "wrong" because we changed our behavior.

Is that a "fact" or a coincidence?

Personally I want it to back yesterday, last week. Stop treating us as children, stop giving us permission to adhere to the constitution at certain times, stop changing the model, stop adjusting the deaths, stop manipulating data, stop lying to people, stop driving fear and so much more. People will believe and follow what they wish, ok....but don't force everyone to drink the koolaid.

"Control over the transmission rate or death"? Will we ever? We pump out vaccine after vaccine and yet how many got the flu? Hospitalized for the flu? Died from the flu? Since last October 2019? I'm tired of the hype and the dish we are being fed. The stay at home "model" has no value since it has nothing to compare it with. Some suggest the stay at home model will produce a society that is more susceptible to disease.

Tin Foil Hat warning.....this is a power struggle and we are the pawns.

 

[foszoe]

When a virus can be carried on the breeze for 15 miles, that better be a lot of acreage.

Never have square footage and acreage been more appreciated.

 

[foszoe]

What part of the constitution are you referring to?

Is that a "fact" or a coincidence?

Personally I want it to back yesterday, last week. Stop treating us as children, stop giving us permission to adhere to the constitution at certain times, stop changing the model, stop adjusting the deaths, stop manipulating data, stop lying to people, stop driving fear and so much more. People will believe and follow what they wish, ok....but don't force everyone to drink the koolaid.

"Control over the transmission rate or death"? Will we ever? We pump out vaccine after vaccine and yet how many got the flu? Hospitalized for the flu? Died from the flu? Since last October 2019? I'm tired of the hype and the dish we are being fed. The stay at home "model" has no value since it has nothing to compare it with. Some suggest the stay at home model will produce a society that is more susceptible to disease.

Tin Foil Hat warning.....this is a power struggle and we are the pawns.

 

[JCSR]

What part of the constitution are you referring to?

How about #1. I suppose you can argue that "Congress" isn't breaking the constitution. But for damn sure somebody is!
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Alpo]

I believe that those in charge acted in the interests of We, the People, to the best of their ability given the circumstances as they were understood back at the beginning of March.

It is human nature to internalize the latest data and perhaps modify history in light of that information. March 7 doesn't appear to be as scary on April 30 as it actually was on March 7. Back then, we....and that includes me and a lot of other folks here....thought we might have a crisis on our hands where over 1 million would die in short order from a plague.

It didn't happen. Great! But we don't need to rewrite history or blame anyone.

Let's figure out how we dig out of this. Frankly, as a 70 year old, my life didn't change all that much because of the virus and won't in the future...except I'm going to ask you to keep your distance and handshaking has probably become an anachronism.

 

[Ziggidy]

What part of the constitution are you referring to?

Well, the first and second I know for sure; however, I am confident there are others that were infringed upon; all because our government knows what is best for us at any given time.

 

[HoughMade]

When a virus can be carried on the breeze for 15 miles, that better be a lot of acreage.

OK...sure.

Not worried.

Under this theory, that a person can be infected by virus particles that travel through the air 15 miles, we should all be infected by now.

...and I was referring to the “stay at home” order. There’s a lot of “they say I can’t go outside” talk. Not here.

 

[ljk]

I believe that those in charge acted in the interests of We, the People, to the best of their ability given the circumstances as they were understood back at the beginning of March.

I disagree.

Follow the money and power.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

 

[cobber]

How about #1. I suppose you can argue that "Congress" isn't breaking the constitution. But for damn sure somebody is!
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And don't forget the Indiana Constitution!

Article I, Section 31. No law shall restrain any of the inhabitants of the State from assembling together in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good; nor from instructing their representatives; nor from applying to the General Assembly for redress of grievances.

 

[HoughMade]

How about #1. I suppose you can argue that "Congress" isn't breaking the constitution. But for damn sure somebody is!
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

What law has congress made that violates that?

 

[T.Lex]

Is that a "fact" or a coincidence?

It is a fact.

Well. A set of facts.

"Control over the transmission rate or death"? Will we ever? We pump out vaccine after vaccine and yet how many got the flu? Hospitalized for the flu? Died from the flu? Since last October 2019?

Yes, we do have control over the flu. Between vaccinations and treatments, other than very localized areas every few years, we control the societal ramifications to the extent we are comfortable doing so, individually and collectively.

"Control" doesn't mean zero infections or deaths. It means that we know what to do and when to do it to minimize the overall impact.

Tin Foil Hat warning.....

No ****.

 

[JCSR]

What law has congress made that violates that?

They haven't but allowed other's to. I doubt any of these BS restrictions the governors and mayors come up with everyday would get approval from Congress.

 

[Fargo]

What law has congress made that violates that?

Aren’t you about 140 years late on the Argument that the first amendment only constrains Congress??

 

[ljk]

In the U.S.,

There are average 80,000-90,000 patients die of flu each season, how many flu death have been reported since Feb, 2020. How many are the flu death been coded as Covid19 death.

There are average 48,000-49,000 patients die of pneumonia each year, how many pneumonia death have been reported since Feb, 2020. How many are the pneumonia death been coded as Covid19 death.

Hospitals got paid for each Covid patient the took in, extra 200% pay for those whom got put on Vent, and another 20% if they die of Covid.

 

[Ziggidy]

I believe that those in charge acted in the interests of We, the People, to the best of their ability given the circumstances as they were understood back at the beginning of March.

That may be true and time will tell.

I believe we know how to get back up but I am fearful of what we may take away from the last few months. Many have expressed this pandemic as an "opportunity" and you do not need to look very hard to see many power hungry vultures circling above. Will we as American's open our eyes this November election or will we allow ourselves to be "shut down" again in another way that is equally (or more so) devastating than the last few months?

After this difficult time, I am not as hopeful in the American citizen as I once was. I pray I am wrong. Many got a taste of socialism and they like it.