Coronavirus

[tbhausen]

Only you cats can be this funny about such a serious subject LOL

 

[tbhausen]

I only spent $170 at the grocery store. That’s a freaking no brainer.

 

[jedi]

Only you cats can be this funny about such a serious subject LOL

What... wait you wanna live forever?

 

[nra4ever]

Now I’m curious. What food items are you guys buying. Now I have FOMO.

 

[jedi]

Bacon off course!!!
Like duh!

On a serious note
Stock up on food you normally eat.
Aldi's canned veggies, beans, fruits are always a good buy.

 

[d.kaufman]

Agree with Jedi Stock up on some canned goods that you would normally eat, that you can rotate stock as things near expiration.
I will add rice and dried beans as well. Long shelf life when stored properly. Dont forget seasonings. Plain old rice n beans will get old quick but if you can spice it up in different ways it will help.

 

[Dead Duck]

I use the 3 Bs method.

Bacon
Beans
and Beer

Words to live by.

 

[actaeon277]

I am going to make a long post,and try to explain what I think is happening.

The reason there is not panic.

1.The information is not reaching people.This is actually true.I know people that have no clue this is even happening.It is hardly mentioned on social media,and if it is they say things like only in China,and that leave readers with the opinion that this is not going to impact the readers life.


2.If they do actually understand the news and that is is a pandemic.They have seen the horrors going on, they can not change how they view the world as they know it.It is called normalcy bias.70% of the entire population experience this during a disaster.Be it a hurricane,earth quake or a pandemic.

Normalcy Bias: is a belief people hold when there is a possibility of a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the likelihood of a disaster and its possible effects, because people believe that things will always function the way things normally have functioned. This may result in situations where people fail to adequately prepare themselves for disasters, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. About 70% of people reportedly display normalcy bias in disasters.


You have heard it on the news over and over.Wild fire tears apart a neighbor hood....the people " I can not believe this happened here" While standing in the ashes.It had never even occurred to them that it could happen.Even while standing in the ashes.They had a hard time wrapping their head around it ,the fact everything they thought was normal was gone.That it could and did already happen.

Then you have people who already have something or one to blame.
Who despite understanding it is happening,want a mental reason of why it will not effect them.They find a piece of information that makes them feel safe.They research it more,based on the idea now in their head they are some how "safer" than some other group.

You can see the exact same thing happening in those who think it is only going to infect/kill some ethnic group,blood type...ect.

It makes them feel safer.The more that believe what they do the better they feel.They can accept the horror is happening,just not that it will happen to them.

Sadly another form of bias.

Then the reason people.
They already have something in mind to blame.Something like say a vaccines,but it could have been anything.Someone diet.Someone created a bio weapon.Some corporation.A government.Even climate change.As long as there is a reason they can wrap their head around,they will believe it.

Point being they think there is a reason it is happening,that they understand.It gives them someone to blame,making them feel superior,or safer because of the information they believe.It makes the disaster understandable to them.Most of this group are still in the 70% who can not comprehend the idea that it can happen in their life,where they live,or in there country ect.Still hanging on like 70% will do until they are the one standing in the ashes in shock(if they survive).


Last large group.
Those who think someone or something will save them if anything bad happens they can not handle.
Be it the government,a doctor they know,or a religion they believe in.
Most will blame what they currently think is going to save them,when they see that it is not going to.Also most this group are in the 70% who have normalcy bias,but not all.


The rare group.The probably 2-5% understand they and they alone are responsible for taking action to assure their own survival.
They do not need a reason this is happening.They understand it is though,and are mentally preparing for it.They are doing things in their life to prepare as best they can.They do not need to place blame anywhere,it is not going to help at all.There does not have to be a reason.It is a pandemic,and they would like to survive it.

We need more in that very small group.They can actually help each other.

I wrote this on another site.In three parts,slightly edited to put it here.
I think we are in trouble.The world as a whole.I do not think this is something that will be "fixed" anytime soon.I think there are many huge changes that are going to come.
Most will have almost no mental preparation to accept things are not going back to "normal"for either quite awhile,and possibly never.

Just my random thoughts I put into words trying to organize in my mind what I am dealing with currently,and what the future may look like.
I really hope we some how dodge all of this.I hope to be wrong.

I think I am at the acceptance stage.Life,commerce,and most of what is normal is about to not be.There will be horror and death,not seen in any of our life times(unless you are in Wuhan).
It feels odd,but peaceful.None of it will come as a shock to be.The news will not captivate me or my attention.My life will go on in a different way.I am taking this window and spending more
time with friends and family.I am worried,but not scared or panicked.I am worried about everyone that can not or will not accept we are in a global pandemic,that will change everything.

You are all loved.Be well,be safe,and help each other when ever and where ever you can.

* Last edit.
I do not think we are all going to die.I think the pandemic will kill maybe upward of 10%-30%.What happens during and after could bring the total to 10-50%.
We will pick up the pieces.The world,I hope becomes a better place.

Add to that, the people that have been through something, then STILL fail to prepare.
They rail against everyone else that "didn't do their job", not thinking they are also guilty.
The guy that's been through 7 power outages, yet still doesn't get a generator and wire his house for it. Yet still says you're "lucky" you have a generator.

 

[actaeon277]

Agree with Jedi Stock up on some canned goods that you would normally eat, that you can rotate stock as things near expiration.
I will add rice and dried beans as well. Long shelf life when stored properly. Dont forget seasonings. Plain old rice n beans will get old quick but if you can spice it up in different ways it will help.

Well, it doesn't have to be one OR the other.
Stock up on canned and dried stuff that you might normally have.
AND get some of the long term emergency stuff.

 

[tbhausen]

Canned isn’t “long term” enough?

https://www.foxnews.com/health/which-expired-foods-are-okay-to-eat

 

[Vigilant]

Only you cats can be this funny about such a serious subject LOL

Meow?

 

[actaeon277]

Canned isn’t “long term” enough?

https://www.foxnews.com/health/which-expired-foods-are-okay-to-eat

No.
While it loses nutritional value slower, it still decreases in value over time.

 

[tbhausen]

More on the shelf life of canned goods:

https://www.today.com/food/when-do-canned-foods-really-expire-t119977

 

[smokingman]

Add to that, the people that have been through something, then STILL fail to prepare.
They rail against everyone else that "didn't do their job", not thinking they are also guilty.
The guy that's been through 7 power outages, yet still doesn't get a generator and wire his house for it. Yet still says you're "lucky" you have a generator.

Over and over I have heard people I know ask that question "how did you still have power,all I had was my cell phone".Because I learned from the probably 80 power outages I have been through,and decided the prospect of not having electricity did not agree with me and took action.

Some things I am doing this time.Knowing someone in my house hold may get infected.
Masks.Even the CDC agrees with this. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-home-care.html
Hepa air purifier.I went with a couple levoit. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VVK39F7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This is to reduce airborne particulates,that could spread anything around.
A UV-C light.I worked at Eli Lilly's and they have them in many of the hallways.I was not sure they actually did much.I did a little home work,turns out they do kill many bacteria and virus types.
They reduce the amount of live viruses and bacteria in your environment,and they do not cost all that much.I choose these.
https://www.amazon.com/GermGuardian...nd+Mold+with+UV-C+Light&qid=1581055851&sr=8-1

Hand sanitizer of course.but I also picked up a spray from Purell.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075H16TBT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This is of course to treat any non porous surface,be it the door nob,light switch,remote control,keyboard,sink faucets,toilet handle,and anything you touch on a regular basis.I also put in for the 1 gallon refill subscription.

Disposable gloves.I already have lots as I work with carbon fiber and various epoxy.

Dishes are probably soon going to go through a sink with a quarter cup of bleach to a full sink of water before the machine soon.

Doing things that are not normal for me,but the idea is to keep anything someone was exposed to out of the house.While fully understanding it will probably not work and someone may very well catch this,and not know for weeks.Our choice.Treat it like someone is already smearing it all over everything and do daily wipe downs and sprays of surfaces everyone comes in contact with.Worst case,no one here spreads the normal flu to anyone else.
Other than that my preps have stayed more or less the same.I still rotate food as I have been doing for quite awhile(10+ years now).
I do need to make a TP run soon.

Any other ideas?

 

[tbhausen]

Cbhausen and I were just talking. You’ve just got to think through your day… If you can’t leave the house, don’t have electricity or possibly water, need to eat, and may need to defend what you have, that’s about all there is to it. Oh, and how do you take a crap if there’s no water to flush a toilet and you don’t want to leave the house? Maybe fill up all your gas cans with ethanol free or stabilized fuel in case you need to bug out… Yeah, fun.

 

[cbhausen]

I just dropped a couple hundred bucks on preps. Nothing too extreme, water, dry goods and canned goods mostly. I was looking at Sterno for cooking without electricity but found a $20 fill valve that allows me to refill 1-pound propane tanks for my camp stove from a 20-pound tank so heating water, cooking, etc. w/o electricity is covered.

I’m still working on the masks, sanitizer, medical supplies stuff.

Like tbhausen said, think about an extended bug-in with a contingency plan of getting out and back if the need arises. And yes, the further away from others you are, the better your chances of survival if SHTF.

And of course, be prepared to defend what you have from those who haven’t prepared and want to take it.

 

[jedi]

Hand sanitizer does MORE harm then good please do not use.
I was at a mold remediation class late 2019 and the instructor showed studies that hand sanitizer while good at killing bacteria and everything else on your hands ALSO kills the good germs you have thus leaving you MORE vulnerable to the bad stuff finding a home on/in you.

wash your hands with plain soap and scrub, scrub, scrub.
The length of time of scrubbing is singing the happy birthday song. The friction causes my scrubbing likes bad germs better.

 

[Phase2]

Canned isn’t “long term” enough?

https://www.foxnews.com/health/which-expired-foods-are-okay-to-eat

Canned food is fine for storage. Most is "best by" for three years, though as that article notes a lot of canned food can be used longer. Actually, all those dates are pretty much irrelevant if you practice good rotation management. Eat what you store, store what you eat. Don't just throw it on a shelf and forget about it. Also, if you do have food that is coming close to "expiring", consider donating it to a food bank. They will distribute and use it quickly.

Hand sanitizer does MORE harm then good please do not use.
I was at a mold remediation class late 2019 and the instructor showed studies that hand sanitizer while good at killing bacteria and everything else on your hands ALSO kills the good germs you have thus leaving you MORE vulnerable to the bad stuff finding a home on/in you.

wash your hands with plain soap and scrub, scrub, scrub.
The length of time of scrubbing is singing the happy birthday song. The friction causes my scrubbing likes bad germs better.

All correct except it is happy birthday song twice (20 secs). Our bodies are naturally covered inside and out with bacteria. We actually host more bacteria than human cells. The vast majority are beneficial (for example aiding digestion) or neutral. When healthy, they actually crowd out harmful bacteria on surfaces and keep them from gaining a significant foothold. Antibacterials (and broad spectrum antibiotics) kill bacteria indiscriminately and make it easier for harmful bacteria to recolonize first after treatment.

 

[jedi]

Oops sorry yes TWO times happy birthday singing.

but I just follow the ingo method of pee on hands to clean them, then touch the lead ingot before eating. All is good!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Oops sorry yes TWO times happy birthday singing.

but I just follow the ingo method of pee on hands to clean them, then touch the lead ingot before eating. All is good!