Coronavirus II

[Alpo]

I have a friend who is an attending ER doc in PA. She said the other night a young-ish man came in at 2:30 am with shoulder pain that had been going on for 7 years because he was curious to see how many sick people there were in there. She was juggling this clown and two real patients who were in respiratory distress and probably had corona virus.

Sounds like his head finally worked all the way up from his rectum to his clavicle.

 

[nonobaddog]

According to CDC, everybody that dies gets one cause of death from a list (ICD-10 is the latest I think) and then potentially multiple reasons on the MCD form.

 

[Dead Duck]

Mail and Packages...
I have an 8ft folding table by my front door as a staging area. After gearing up, I kinda look through the mail then stack it in separate piles. My packages get trash bagged then set in a row under the table. I'll open them after they're all 4 days old.

If you think I am overreacting, then I think you're a bit obstinate or in a coma.

 

[chipbennett]

Just FYI, my self-isolation and working-from-home is likely at a very near end. As early as next week, I'll be heading to the site of one of our clients, to help lead the effort for tech transfer and validation so that they can start production of (you can guess the drug).

I don't talk much about my work, but this sort of scenario is exactly why I do what I do: to help bring life-saving treatments to people who need them.

 

[Ziggidy]

Yeah, one ER doc has already said "nope. Not gonna do it until they modify the label to include this as a legit and official use for the drug." The worry is 6-18 months from now commercials all over the TV: "Were you prescribed Chloroquine for Covid-19 and think you were harmed? We can sue for you and get a big payday in your pocket. You deserve this. Call now."

Could you bypass the headache by calling it an experimental drug and signing a waiver?

 

[nonobaddog]

Mail and Packages...
I have an 8ft folding table by my front door as a staging area. After gearing up, I kinda look through the mail then stack it in separate piles. My packages get trash bagged then set in a row under the table. I'll open them after they're all 4 days old.

If you think I am overreacting, then I think you're a bit obstinate or in a coma.

I think you are being smart.

I have been getting my mail bare handed and then throw it in the trash and wash my hands. Packages get stored for at least four days.

From now on I'm going to use a dedicated pair of gloves. Sooner or later I will get some mail that I need to open too. I guess those will have to wait four days.

 

[nonobaddog]

Just FYI, my self-isolation and working-from-home is likely at a very near end. As early as next week, I'll be heading to the site of one of our clients, to help lead the effort for tech transfer and validation so that they can start production of (you can guess the drug).

I don't talk much about my work, but this sort of scenario is exactly why I do what I do: to help bring life-saving treatments to people who need them.

Pot?

 

[chipbennett]

Pot?

That would be a different therapeutic effect. I don't think we have any clients yet who are manufacturing THC or its products.

 

[dusty88]

Mail and Packages...
I have an 8ft folding table by my front door as a staging area. After gearing up, I kinda look through the mail then stack it in separate piles. My packages get trash bagged then set in a row under the table. I'll open them after they're all 4 days old.

If you think I am overreacting, then I think you're a bit obstinate or in a coma.

I don't think you are over-reacting. I do something similar, or do a protocol that involves hand washing after opening the box, sanitize the items, pitch the box, etc

I do think we will find it's unlikely the virus is alive and active on packages, but I'm in favor of being cautious. This isn't a time to increase the bid for the ventilators.

 

[actaeon277]

If you're gonna directly call me out like that, let me explain...

You listen to the whining 64 year old woman, who is the only person in the office that actually prints anything, whine non-stop for 3 days because we're out of toner. Especially if it happens to be for the printer she demanded be placed on her desk instead of walking all the way over there to the regular printer for everybody else.

I have the suicide hotline on speed dial when toner shortages arise.

Fair enough!

See, THAT's how you do it.

 

[mmpsteve]

Wait. A boat with boobs? I could use one of those.

Ask, and you shall receive, friend.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break-room/461654-hot-chicks-fishing-456.html


I mean, someone's gotta make the sammiches, no? I don't know how they survived on a sub.

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[maxwelhse]

See, THAT's how you do it.

 

[smokingman]

I do not like being lied to. When she was talking about all states having been testing for 3 weeks. I still remember a 9 days ago when 5 states did not even yet have the ability to test.
They asked a similar question about testing rates she said all states have been testing since the beginning.

Both of those statements are lies.

I guess at this point the official policy to to judge clusters by only the number in the ICU,since she clearly stated that is what the testing guidelines are for getting a test. In some places like CA,WA,and NY they are actually even more strict now,with testing only taking place if it will change your clinical treatment.

Test,trace,test,trace...looks like we failed that miserably.

 

[T.Lex]

So you think the deaths are significantly under-reported? We know the denominator is under-reported, I would say by a much higher factor than the numerator. And about deaths, without an autopsy, it's probably not all that representative to say they died, and they had covid-19, therefore they died from covid-19. Maybe it hastened the process. But if you had terminal cancer, and a compromised immune system, and you had covid-19, and you died. Did you really die from covid-19? I think that's the way they're tallying it, and I'm not sure it's accurate.

Yeah, I think the deaths are under-reported and over-represented, if that makes sense.

The deaths that are reported are because the person who died had either tested positive for it during the rationed testing or it was positively identified post-mortem. So, the sick/dying people were getting a higher percentage of tests (and thus positives) than the population of truly infected, let alone the population at large.

And someone in a nursing home who is positively identified with a test and then dies of respiratory failure, yeah, I chalk that up to COVID-19. If it leaked a day from that person's life, then that's the cause. It took them out of one bucket (maybe alzheimers or ALS or whatever) and put them into the COVID-19 bucket. (Comorbidities notwithstanding.)

That's the way I'd run it. Anything else is speculative.

Now, if they had COVID-19 and got hit by car, that's not the virus's fault.

 

[actaeon277]

Too much nerd talk going on in here with all of this modeling stuff and statistics.

When do we get to form up and go out on raids in a convey of Mad Max style vehicles? I'm getting bored.

Yesterday.
You missed it.

 

[T.Lex]

Test,trace,test,trace...looks like we failed that miserably.

We were utterly unprepared to do that.

 

[KG1]

We’re all gonna die.

 

[nonobaddog]

We’re all gonna die.

There is no valid argument against that.

 

[qwerty]

We’re all gonna die.

In order to keep up with the panic, some will have to die twice.

 

[OurDee]

Stop the bleeding. Send the arm to x-ray. Kick the coughers out with scripts to go home and call their doctors.