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Colts 2023 A Time To Change
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We have discussed before but was interesting.
“Why move him and take a chance on an unproven commodity at the quarterback position? History has shown — repeatedly — that it’s a crapshoot at the top of round one.”
“Here are the No. 1 overall picks at quarterback over the past 50 years: Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr, Michael Vick, Tim Couch, Peyton Manning, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Troy Aikman, Vinny Testaverde, John Elway, and Steve Bartkowski.”
“It’s nothing close to a no-brainer that a quarterback taken first in the draft will become a great player. It’s not quite 50-50, but it’s closer to that than 75-25.”
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“Why move him and take a chance on an unproven commodity at the quarterback position? History has shown — repeatedly — that it’s a crapshoot at the top of round one.”
“Here are the No. 1 overall picks at quarterback over the past 50 years: Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr, Michael Vick, Tim Couch, Peyton Manning, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Troy Aikman, Vinny Testaverde, John Elway, and Steve Bartkowski.”
“It’s nothing close to a no-brainer that a quarterback taken first in the draft will become a great player. It’s not quite 50-50, but it’s closer to that than 75-25.”
Bears wisely plan to keep Justin Fields - ProFootballTalk
The news that the Bears are “leaning toward” trading the first overall pick means that the Bears are sticking with quarterback Justin Fields.Which means that the Bears haven’t lost their minds.As explained in Playmakers, draft picks are lottery tickets. When you have a winning lottery ticket...
1. Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson
2. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr
3. Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith
4. Giants quarterback Daniel Jones
5. Eagles defensive tackle Javon Hargrave
6. Commanders defensive tackle Daron Payne
7. Chiefs offensive tackle Orlando Brown
8. Bucs cornerback Jamel Dean
9. Eagles safety Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
10. Bengals safety Jessie Bates
11. 49ers offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey
12. Eagles cornerback James Bradberry
13. 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo
14. Raiders running back Josh Jacobs
15. Giants running back Saquon Barkley
16. Vikings defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson
17. Eagles linebacker T.J. Edwards
18. Rams linebacker Bobby Wagner
19. Patriots receiver Jakobi Meyers
20. Bucs linebacker Lavonte David
21. Titans linebacker David Long
22. Saints defensive end Marcus Davenport
23. Broncos defensive tackle Dre'Mont Jones
24. Jaguars offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor
25. Cardinals defensive lineman Zach Allen
26. Bills linebacker Tremaine Edmunds
27. Patriots cornerback Jonathan Jones
28. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox
29. Cowboys running back Tony Pollard
30. Falcons offensive tackle Kaleb McGary
31. Ravens offensive guard Ben Powers
32. 49ers edge rusher Charles Omenihu
33. Rams quarterback Baker Mayfield
34. Eagles defensive end Brandon Graham
35. Ravens cornerback Marcus Peters
36. Packers receiver Allen Lazard
37. Colts edge rusher Yannick Ngakoue
38. Jaguars tight end Evan Engram
39. Lions offensive guard Evan Brown
40. Bills safety Jordan Poyer
41. Cowboys tight end Dalton Schultz
42. Chiefs receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster
43. Vikings cornerback Patrick Peterson
44. Bengals linebacker Germaine Pratt
45. 49ers edge rusher Samson Ebukam
46. Dolphins tight end Mike Gesicki
47. Colts linebacker Bobby Okereke
48. 49ers safety Jimmie Ward
49. Patriots offensive tackle Isaiah Wynn
50. Jaguars edge rusher Arden Key
51. Eagles offensive guard Isaac Seumalo
52. Bucs cornerback Sean Murphy-Bunting
53. Free agent receiver Odell Beckham
54. Texans edge rusher Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
55. Titans tight end Austin Hooper
56. Cowboys linebacker Leighton Vander Esch
57. Titans offensive guard Nate Davis
58. Saints defensive lineman David Onyemata
59. Chiefs receiver Mecole Hardman
60. Giants safety Julian Love
61. Cardinals cornerback Byron Murphy
62. Cowboys safety Donovan Wilson
63. Browns quarterback Jacoby Brissett
64. Raiders cornerback Rock Ya-Sin
65. Browns center Ethan Pocic
66. Broncos linebacker Alex Singleton
67. Lions receiver D.J. Chark
68. Dolphins quarterback Teddy Bridgewater
69. Bengals safety Vonn Bell
70. Saints receiver Michael Thomas
71. Rams safety Taylor Rapp
72. Steelers cornerback Cameron Sutton
73. Eagles running back Miles Sanders
74. Chiefs safety Juan Thornhill
75. Chargers linebacker Drue Tranquill
76. Jets defensive tackle Sheldon Rankins
77. Ravens outside linebacker Justin Houston
78. Chargers outside linebacker Kyle Van Noy
79. Jets center Connor McGovern
80. Bengals tight end Hayden Hurst
81. Raiders offensive tackle Jermaine Eluemunor
82. Bears running back David Montgomery
83. Cardinals offensive tackle Kelvin Beachum
84. 49ers linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair
85. Broncos offensive guard Dalton Risner
86. Packers safety Adrian Amos
87. Colts receiver Parris Campbell
88. Raiders linebacker Denzel Perryman
89. Panthers quarterback Sam Darnold
90. Giants receiver Darius Slayton
91. Broncos offensive tackle Cameron Fleming
92. Eagles safety Marcus Epps
93. Bengals cornerback Eli Apple
94. Steelers defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi
95. Titans defensive end DeMarcus Walker
96. Raiders defensive end Clelin Ferrell
97. 49ers cornerback Emmanuel Moseley
98. Eagles safety Kyzir White
99. Chargers defensive lineman Morgan Fox
100. Jets offensive tackle George Fant
101. Titans defensive end Mario Edwards Jr.
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2. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr
3. Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith
4. Giants quarterback Daniel Jones
5. Eagles defensive tackle Javon Hargrave
6. Commanders defensive tackle Daron Payne
7. Chiefs offensive tackle Orlando Brown
8. Bucs cornerback Jamel Dean
9. Eagles safety Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
10. Bengals safety Jessie Bates
11. 49ers offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey
12. Eagles cornerback James Bradberry
13. 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo
14. Raiders running back Josh Jacobs
15. Giants running back Saquon Barkley
16. Vikings defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson
17. Eagles linebacker T.J. Edwards
18. Rams linebacker Bobby Wagner
19. Patriots receiver Jakobi Meyers
20. Bucs linebacker Lavonte David
21. Titans linebacker David Long
22. Saints defensive end Marcus Davenport
23. Broncos defensive tackle Dre'Mont Jones
24. Jaguars offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor
25. Cardinals defensive lineman Zach Allen
26. Bills linebacker Tremaine Edmunds
27. Patriots cornerback Jonathan Jones
28. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox
29. Cowboys running back Tony Pollard
30. Falcons offensive tackle Kaleb McGary
31. Ravens offensive guard Ben Powers
32. 49ers edge rusher Charles Omenihu
33. Rams quarterback Baker Mayfield
34. Eagles defensive end Brandon Graham
35. Ravens cornerback Marcus Peters
36. Packers receiver Allen Lazard
37. Colts edge rusher Yannick Ngakoue
38. Jaguars tight end Evan Engram
39. Lions offensive guard Evan Brown
40. Bills safety Jordan Poyer
41. Cowboys tight end Dalton Schultz
42. Chiefs receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster
43. Vikings cornerback Patrick Peterson
44. Bengals linebacker Germaine Pratt
45. 49ers edge rusher Samson Ebukam
46. Dolphins tight end Mike Gesicki
47. Colts linebacker Bobby Okereke
48. 49ers safety Jimmie Ward
49. Patriots offensive tackle Isaiah Wynn
50. Jaguars edge rusher Arden Key
51. Eagles offensive guard Isaac Seumalo
52. Bucs cornerback Sean Murphy-Bunting
53. Free agent receiver Odell Beckham
54. Texans edge rusher Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
55. Titans tight end Austin Hooper
56. Cowboys linebacker Leighton Vander Esch
57. Titans offensive guard Nate Davis
58. Saints defensive lineman David Onyemata
59. Chiefs receiver Mecole Hardman
60. Giants safety Julian Love
61. Cardinals cornerback Byron Murphy
62. Cowboys safety Donovan Wilson
63. Browns quarterback Jacoby Brissett
64. Raiders cornerback Rock Ya-Sin
65. Browns center Ethan Pocic
66. Broncos linebacker Alex Singleton
67. Lions receiver D.J. Chark
68. Dolphins quarterback Teddy Bridgewater
69. Bengals safety Vonn Bell
70. Saints receiver Michael Thomas
71. Rams safety Taylor Rapp
72. Steelers cornerback Cameron Sutton
73. Eagles running back Miles Sanders
74. Chiefs safety Juan Thornhill
75. Chargers linebacker Drue Tranquill
76. Jets defensive tackle Sheldon Rankins
77. Ravens outside linebacker Justin Houston
78. Chargers outside linebacker Kyle Van Noy
79. Jets center Connor McGovern
80. Bengals tight end Hayden Hurst
81. Raiders offensive tackle Jermaine Eluemunor
82. Bears running back David Montgomery
83. Cardinals offensive tackle Kelvin Beachum
84. 49ers linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair
85. Broncos offensive guard Dalton Risner
86. Packers safety Adrian Amos
87. Colts receiver Parris Campbell
88. Raiders linebacker Denzel Perryman
89. Panthers quarterback Sam Darnold
90. Giants receiver Darius Slayton
91. Broncos offensive tackle Cameron Fleming
92. Eagles safety Marcus Epps
93. Bengals cornerback Eli Apple
94. Steelers defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi
95. Titans defensive end DeMarcus Walker
96. Raiders defensive end Clelin Ferrell
97. 49ers cornerback Emmanuel Moseley
98. Eagles safety Kyzir White
99. Chargers defensive lineman Morgan Fox
100. Jets offensive tackle George Fant
101. Titans defensive end Mario Edwards Jr.
NFL Top 100 2023 free agents: Lamar Jackson, Derek Carr, Geno Smith top the list - ProFootballTalk
The following are PFT’s top 100 free agents for the start of the 2023 league year. The rankings include prospective unrestricted free agents and released players. The list will be updated as events warrant, with signings, tags and re-signings denoted when announced and/or reported. Players...
And news of the expected.
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Commanders cut Carson Wentz
Less than a year after he arrived, Carson Wentz is done in Washington.
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ChristianPatriot
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And news of the expected.
Commanders cut Carson Wentz
Less than a year after he arrived, Carson Wentz is done in Washington.
We should bring him on as a cheap backup
manifest destiny
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Maybe the Panthers can get something out of Wentz. snickers...pffft, hee-hee.
Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network’s prime draft analyst, has been doing his homework entering the Combine, and his research team came up with this gem: Since 2011, six teams have traded either into the top five picks of the first round, or higher in the top five, for a quarterback. And on every occasion, the acquiring team overpaid, per the old Jimmy Johnson trade chart. The acquiring teams and QBs:
2012: Robert Griffin III, second overall to Washington.
2016: Jared Goff, first overall to the Rams.
2016: Carson Wentz, second overall to Philadelphia.
2017: Mitchell Trubisky, second overall to Chicago.
2018: Sam Darnold, third overall to the Jets.
2021: Trey Lance, third overall to San Francisco.
The Bears have the first overall pick in 2023. There are four quarterbacks likely to go in the first half of the first round, and four teams with major quarterback needs in the top nine: Houston (two), Indianapolis (four), Las Vegas (seven) and Carolina (nine). I hear—though it might be smoke—that none of the four wants to scotch-tape a veteran like 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers and probably not Derek Carr. So the Bears, if they’re not going to use the first pick on a quarterback, could get rich quick by using quarterback desperation against these four teams.
What did the 2022 season teach us about pro football? You need a quarterback to reach the promised land, and you need defenders who can stop the quarterback—edge players, franchise corners. The Bears could just sit at one if they love one of the two best defenders in the class—defensive tackle Jalen Carter of Georgia and edge-rusher Will Anderson Jr. of Alabama. They could sit at one if they’ve fallen out of love—which I doubt—with Justin Fields and want one of the four quarterbacks. Or they could strike a rich deal with a desperate team.
Recent history, in the form of the overpaid move-ups for quarterbacks since 2012, is on the side of the Bears. As Jeremiah said, trading down with Carolina at nine might net Chicago the ninth overall pick plus a second-round pick this year, and first-rounders in 2024 and ’25—if history holds.
“It’s an interesting draft,” Jeremiah said Saturday night, “because you don’t have quite the top-end talent at the top of the draft you’ve had in some past drafts … But in my conversations around the league, I talk to friends and they’re sitting there saying, ‘How are we gonna stop these quarterbacks?’ You hope you have one of them. But if you don’t, you gotta go find one with the upside that’s at that level. The second question, and this has been in talking to some GMs in their draft meetings, literally the questions are: ‘Is this guy gonna help us get off the field against Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen?’ You’ve got to build your team towards trying to deal with this next generation of star quarterbacks, particularly in the AFC.”
This week, when quarterbacks Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Will Levis and the fascinating Anthony Richardson show up in Indianapolis, the questions will start to get answered. Not a single one is a no-doubt long-term quarterback, but the desperation for the position will cause some intense jockeying for them.
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2012: Robert Griffin III, second overall to Washington.
2016: Jared Goff, first overall to the Rams.
2016: Carson Wentz, second overall to Philadelphia.
2017: Mitchell Trubisky, second overall to Chicago.
2018: Sam Darnold, third overall to the Jets.
2021: Trey Lance, third overall to San Francisco.
The Bears have the first overall pick in 2023. There are four quarterbacks likely to go in the first half of the first round, and four teams with major quarterback needs in the top nine: Houston (two), Indianapolis (four), Las Vegas (seven) and Carolina (nine). I hear—though it might be smoke—that none of the four wants to scotch-tape a veteran like 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers and probably not Derek Carr. So the Bears, if they’re not going to use the first pick on a quarterback, could get rich quick by using quarterback desperation against these four teams.
What did the 2022 season teach us about pro football? You need a quarterback to reach the promised land, and you need defenders who can stop the quarterback—edge players, franchise corners. The Bears could just sit at one if they love one of the two best defenders in the class—defensive tackle Jalen Carter of Georgia and edge-rusher Will Anderson Jr. of Alabama. They could sit at one if they’ve fallen out of love—which I doubt—with Justin Fields and want one of the four quarterbacks. Or they could strike a rich deal with a desperate team.
Recent history, in the form of the overpaid move-ups for quarterbacks since 2012, is on the side of the Bears. As Jeremiah said, trading down with Carolina at nine might net Chicago the ninth overall pick plus a second-round pick this year, and first-rounders in 2024 and ’25—if history holds.
“It’s an interesting draft,” Jeremiah said Saturday night, “because you don’t have quite the top-end talent at the top of the draft you’ve had in some past drafts … But in my conversations around the league, I talk to friends and they’re sitting there saying, ‘How are we gonna stop these quarterbacks?’ You hope you have one of them. But if you don’t, you gotta go find one with the upside that’s at that level. The second question, and this has been in talking to some GMs in their draft meetings, literally the questions are: ‘Is this guy gonna help us get off the field against Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen?’ You’ve got to build your team towards trying to deal with this next generation of star quarterbacks, particularly in the AFC.”
This week, when quarterbacks Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Will Levis and the fascinating Anthony Richardson show up in Indianapolis, the questions will start to get answered. Not a single one is a no-doubt long-term quarterback, but the desperation for the position will cause some intense jockeying for them.
FMIA: The Scourge of Draft Desperation and The Combine Without a Sure Thing - ProFootballTalk
Peter King previews the NFL Scouting Combine and the upcoming "Quarterback" docuseries, and takes a look at possible draft scenarios this spring.
manifest destiny
Master
Yuck! Goff has been to a Super Bowl, but.....
Darnold may have been a different player if he'd landed on a solid team, but....
Trey Lance, with good coaches, appears to be the real deal. But it's also taken a minute for him to find his stride. So whomever we end up with at qb, patience will likely be a virtue for the fans.
ChristianPatriot
Grandmaster
I still think Ballard trades down.
He’ll say “our guy wasn’t there” or whatever.
He’ll say “our guy wasn’t there” or whatever.
manifest destiny
Master
Especially if he could land A A Rod. But really, only Rodgers or Tammy Brady would prevent the masses from storming the gate at 56th St. And since I don't believe either of those qb's will be signed by Indy, I'm guessing the colts will draft a qb at pick four. While I doubt they trade up, it's gonna be tricky 'cause Texans pick ahead of us. If they happen to pick "our guy", then the colts are stuck with their preferred choice of qb in their own division. That would suck. The local sports talkers were referencing a report that says Chicago is actively looking to trade back. I'm not what report they were referring to though.
And news of the expected.
Commanders cut Carson Wentz
Less than a year after he arrived, Carson Wentz is done in Washington.
“He’s not going to be a starter.”
I’m gonna file that one under, “duh.”
ChristianPatriot
Grandmaster
World class tweet right there
ChristianPatriot
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New QB coach has extensive background with mobile quarterbacks 
ChristianPatriot
Grandmaster
That’s some pretty big news for the top defensive pick in the draft.
ChristianPatriot
Grandmaster
So who do we all want as a “bridge” quarterback next season?
Ryan, Foles, and Ehlinger will likely all be gone. Maybe you can hide Ehlinger on the practice squad.
Who’s going to be the starter for half a season while a rookie gets his feet under him?
Marcus Mariota? Teddy Bridgewater? Tyler Huntley? Gardner Minshew?
Ryan, Foles, and Ehlinger will likely all be gone. Maybe you can hide Ehlinger on the practice squad.
Who’s going to be the starter for half a season while a rookie gets his feet under him?
Marcus Mariota? Teddy Bridgewater? Tyler Huntley? Gardner Minshew?
I’m for the put the young draft pick in and let him learn from the teams current position…
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Jamison Winston. He throws lots of touchdowns just to many to the defense.
I wonder what it was?
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Wink Martindale on Colts interview: Some things they wanted to do that I didn't want to do
Wink Martindale interviewed for the Colts head coaching job earlier this year, but he will be back for a second season as the Giants defensive coordinator after the Colts opted to hire Shane Steichen instead.
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