Colts 2023 A Time To Change

[chipbennett]

Idunno though. RG3’s game relied too much on option offense and his physical abilities. After he came back from his injury, defenses kinda figured out the option stuff and RG3 lost some of his physical ability. He had no other dimension to his game. He was done.

AR has some other dimensions. We’ll see how long lived his game is.

AR suffered two freak injuries this season. He's also very young (the guy only recently can legally drink alcohol) and still has a couple of years of physical development to reach parity with a typical NFL rookie.

His mental game (pre-snap reads, pocket presence, route progression reads, etc.) is clearly better than Minshew. His playbook is much more open than Minshew's. He is all upside at this point.

At this point in his career, the "injury prone" knock is complete nonsense. It could prove to be true, of course. But right now, it's just BS generally brought up by people still salty that the Colts didn't draft (the Jeff George-esque) Will Levis.

 

[JCSR]

It says that they both suck at making plays happen when receivers are covered.

They play behind the same O-line with the same receivers. Do you know how football works?

 

[JCSR]

I'm always going to fanboy for my team's QB. Always have; always will.

Most people call that being a fan - especially when compared to pining for another team's QB while celebrating one's own team's QB's injury.

I only deal in reality.

 

[chipbennett]

They play behind the same O-line with the same receivers. Do you know how football works?

That chart has absolutely zero to do with the O-Line or QB pressure. But thanks for playing!

 

[JCSR]

"Are you on your period" is both trolling and childish.

 

[chipbennett]

I only deal in reality.

The reality is that the Colts drafted AR and Will Levis will never be a Colt.

 

[JCSR]

The reality is that the Colts drafted AR and Will Levis will never be a Colt.

And the future will tell us that was a mistake.

 

[chipbennett]

And the future will tell us that was a mistake.

I thought you said you deal only in reality. Now you're fortune-telling.

 

[JCSR]

Here's a little refresher on AR's history of injuries. I was aware of this prior to the draft. I'm sure the Colts were too. ​

​

Date​

2018​

Knee​

Right knee injury, torn meniscus​

2018​

Shoulder​

Right (throwing) shoulder injury, no details​

October 03, 2019​

Shoulder​

​

Right (throwing) shoulder injury, AC sprain vs. clavicle fracture

March 11, 2021​

Hamstring​

Hamstring strain, Spring practices​

September 11, 2021​

Hamstring​

2​

Hamstring strain, possible reinjury, likely grade 1​

October 30, 2021​

Concussion​

Concussion​

November 05, 2021​

Knee​

2​

Right knee, sprained it dancing​

November 27, 2021​

Knee​

1​

Right knee injury, 'Tore it (meniscus) off bone' (per player)​

December 11, 2021​

Knee​

Right knee surgery, likely meniscectomy, cleared in March​

September 10, 2022​

Ankle​

Ankle injury, no details​

September 24, 2022​

Shoulder​

Left shoulder, likely stinger, returned to game​

September 17, 2022​

Hamstring​

Hamstring strain, reinjury from 3/2021. Grade 1 vs. 2​

September 17, 2023​

Concussion​

Traumatic brain injury​

September 17, 2023​

Concussion​

1​

Traumatic brain injury​

October 8, 2023​

Shoulder​

12​

Right. Type III or IV AC sprain. Placed on IR. Surgery by Dr. Neal ElAttrache on 10/24/23​

 

[chipbennett]

Here's a little refresher on AR's history of injuries. I was aware of this prior to the draft. I'm sure the Colts were too. ​

​

Date​

2018​

Knee​

Right knee injury, torn meniscus​

2018​

Shoulder​

Right (throwing) shoulder injury, no details​

October 03, 2019​

Shoulder​

​

Right (throwing) shoulder injury, AC sprain vs. clavicle fracture

March 11, 2021​

Hamstring​

Hamstring strain, Spring practices​

September 11, 2021​

Hamstring​

2​

Hamstring strain, possible reinjury, likely grade 1​

October 30, 2021​

Concussion​

Concussion​

November 05, 2021​

Knee​

2​

Right knee, sprained it dancing​

November 27, 2021​

Knee​

1​

Right knee injury, 'Tore it (meniscus) off bone' (per player)​

December 11, 2021​

Knee​

Right knee surgery, likely meniscectomy, cleared in March​

September 10, 2022​

Ankle​

Ankle injury, no details​

September 24, 2022​

Shoulder​

Left shoulder, likely stinger, returned to game​

September 17, 2022​

Hamstring​

Hamstring strain, reinjury from 3/2021. Grade 1 vs. 2​

September 17, 2023​

Concussion​

Traumatic brain injury​

September 17, 2023​

Concussion​

1​

Traumatic brain injury​

October 8, 2023​

Shoulder​

12​

Right. Type III or IV AC sprain. Placed on IR. Surgery by Dr. Neal ElAttrache on 10/24/23​

In other words: he plays football.

 

[JCSR]

That chart has absolutely zero to do with the O-Line or QB pressure. But thanks for playing!

Your first quote clearly says receivers.

 

[JCSR]

In other words: he plays football.

And is injury prone.

 

[chipbennett]

Your first quote clearly says receivers.

Yes, and?

The chart shows how successful a QB is in generating a positive play, either through the air or on the ground, when receivers are "perfectly covered". It has nothing to do with QB pressure or line play.

 

[JCSR]

Yes, and?

The chart shows how successful a QB is in generating a positive play, either through the air or on the ground, when receivers are "perfectly covered". It has nothing to do with QB pressure or line play.

Football is a team sport. How can it not be? You chart is useless BS

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Shot

I only deal in reality.

***Confronted with objective data***

Chaser

You chart is useless BS

 

[chipbennett]

And is injury prone.

Injuries happen in football.

Across 5 seasons, 4,378 time-lost injuries were reported. So, on average, every player suffers a time-lost (at least 1 game) injury every two seasons, based on these data. (And that's not including players on IR or otherwise exempt.) That also doesn't include all reported injuries, which would be a much higher number.

You merely listed all of AR's various injuries in high school, college, and the NFL, lacking any context of missed games.

• In high school, AR played 4 years and missed 4 games due to injury.
• In college, AR played 3 years and missed 5 games due to injury (3 games of which were due to a non-football injury).

Those are perfectly normal numbers and do not indicate that he is particularly prone to injury.

 

[chipbennett]

Football is a team sport. How can it not be? You chart is useless BS

Useless BS?

It very clearly indicates that Will Levis is, far and away, the worst QB in the league at generating a positive play when receivers are perfectly covered. That might be "useless BS" to you, but it likely factors into why he dropped to the second round of the draft.

 

[chipbennett]

Shot


***Confronted with objective data***

Chaser

Or he just drops a laugh emoji without any objective refutation.

 

[JCSR]

Or he just drops a laugh emoji without any objective refutation.

Thank you for noticing.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Just going to leave this here.
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The Titans never won a meaningful game with peak Derrick Henry, AJ Brown, Ryan Tannehill, and a really good defense.

So in response, they drafted….Tannehill 2.0 (and that’s generous)

Poverty franchise.