Colts 2022 Embrace the suck

[ChristianPatriot]

So the truth is “spin”? The NFL is a tough business and I believe the Colts have done as well as anyone, even through the adversity years. I am befuddled at some of the posts here, like the team has hurt folks personally.

When the truth is contextualized in a way to make the present circumstances seem far better than they really are, yes that’s spin.

That’d be like the Bears saying, “You shouldn’t question what we do, because we have the 2nd most Super Bowls of any franchise in the history of the NFL. We have a track record of championship”

Technically the truth.

Also, they’ve won 1 playoff game in 15 years and haven’t won a Super Bowl in nearly 4 decades. Their record over the past 10 years is 79-98.

The truth matters, but so does context.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Don’t pee down my jacket and tell me it’s raining.

 

[Ingomike]

A franchise QB inexplicably quits in preseason and the reeling team still is 18 out of 32 teams 4 years later.

What exactly should Irsay do to correct this?

 

[rob63]

Colt's waive DE Ifeadi Odenigbo

What we know about the Colts surprisingly waiving veteran DE Ifeadi Odenigbo

Odenigbo is tied for fifth on the team in sacks (3.5) and quarterback hits (6) while playing 24.3 percent of the snaps this season.

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Also...

 

[ChristianPatriot]

A franchise QB inexplicably quits in preseason and the reeling team still is 18 out of 32 teams 4 years later.

What exactly should Irsay do to correct this?

18 of 32 doesn’t sound like “the upper quartile of the upper quartile” to me.

But I guess you’re the analytics guy

 

[ChristianPatriot]

I’ve said it over and over. Chris Ballard is a great talent evaluator, but he has a flawed philosophy on roster building. That’s like the the #1 job of the GM. This roster is 100% his making, and it’s the laughingstock of the league right now.

Irsay has publicly said many times that he’s all in on Chris Ballard and has no plans of firing him. The buck stops with him.

 

[chipbennett]

For all the b****ing here the Colts are in the top third of the league, at number 7, in playoff wins.

Most #NFL playoff wins since

#Patriots - 30
#Ravens - 16
#Steelers - 15
#Seahawks - 14
#Eagles - 14
#Packers - 14
#Colts - 13
#Rams, #Saints, #49ers, #Giants - 10
#Lions are the only team without a playoff win.

This is a bit deceptive, though, going back to 2000. The last playoff win for the Colts was a Wild Card round win in 2018. Luck took the Colts to the AFC Championship in 2014, winning 2 playoff games. And they won a Wild Card game in 2013. That's 4 playoff wins in the past decade (during which period the Colts missed the playoffs 5 times - and soon to be, 6 times). The other 9 playoff wins came during the Manning era.

Most NFL playoff wins in the past 10 years is probably more relevant.

 

[chipbennett]

So the truth is “spin”? The NFL is a tough business and I believe the Colts have done as well as anyone, even through the adversity years. I am befuddled at some of the posts here, like the team has hurt folks personally.

Truth isn't spin, but it also isn't always relevant. The Colts were wildly successful under Manning, explicitly and, in many ways, solely because of Manning. What does Manning-driven success in the 2000s have anything to do with evaluation of the Colts in 2022? What does success of the Colts built by GM Polian and HC Dungy in the 2000s have anything to do with evaluation of the Colts roster built by GM Ballard and HC Reich in 2022?

 

[chipbennett]

A franchise QB inexplicably quits in preseason and the reeling team still is 18 out of 32 teams 4 years later.

What exactly should Irsay do to correct this?

Having a franchise quarterback is a rare luxury in the grand scheme of things. Getting franchise quarterbacks back-to-back, as the Colts did with Manning and Luck, is almost unheard of - maybe only 49ers fans can relate, with Montana and Young.

Luck retiring a week before the season opener in 2018 was a huge blow, and the roster impact in 2018 likely can't be blamed on the front office. Nobody can really prepare for something like that. That said: what the front office has done since then absolutely is their responsibility, and they can be evaluated with respect to their decisions. Those decisions (a combination of mostly-washed vets and young developmental players) have not panned out. Even the one that did (Rivers) they screwed up. Rivers offered to play another year, and they turned him down, opting instead to trade for Wentz.

 

[Ingomike]

I’ve said it over and over. Chris Ballard is a great talent evaluator, but he has a flawed philosophy on roster building. That’s like the the #1 job of the GM. This roster is 100% his making, and it’s the laughingstock of the league right now.

Irsay has publicly said many times that he’s all in on Chris Ballard and has no plans of firing him. The buck stops with him.

Ballard needs to go. Who is talented and available?

 

[Ingomike]

I’ve said it over and over. Chris Ballard is a great talent evaluator, but he has a flawed philosophy on roster building. That’s like the the #1 job of the GM. This roster is 100% his making, and it’s the laughingstock of the league right now.

Irsay has publicly said many times that he’s all in on Chris Ballard and has no plans of firing him. The buck stops with him.

Agreed, if we can get a decent replacement. I figure he is gone.

 

[foszoe]

I will be at Billy O'Neals tomorrow at 11 am when they open. I will be ordering lunch. If you show up before I am done eating it and meet the above criteria, you will enjoy a pint of Guinness on me. You can also drink any other pint of your choosing of equal or lesser price.

I will most likely be at the bar. I will be wearing a leather hat.

I have to apologize but I will not be in Indy after all.

I will set it up for another time!

Sorry.

If you send me a pic of you at Billy O'Neals in a PM because I screwed you over by not being there....you will get 2 pints of Guinness on me next time

 

[Ingomike]

Truth isn't spin, but it also isn't always relevant. The Colts were wildly successful under Manning, explicitly and, in many ways, solely because of Manning. What does Manning-driven success in the 2000s have anything to do with evaluation of the Colts in 2022? What does success of the Colts built by GM Polian and HC Dungy in the 2000s have anything to do with evaluation of the Colts roster built by GM Ballard and HC Reich in 2022?

At the end of the day Colts fans enjoyed a period if success few team ever see. I expect there to be valley’s and peaks. It is telling that Irsay gets the blame from many fans but no credit for the success when that is brought up.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Colts drama continues.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

I wouldn’t hate keeping Foles for next season as the bridge quarterback while the rookie QB gets his feet under him.

 

[Ingomike]

Nick Foles: No frustration that Colts bypassed me earlier this season - ProFootballTalk

Nick Foles will become the third starting quarterback of the season for the Colts when he takes the field against the Chargers on Monday night and he’ll have some catching up to do in practice over the next few days.Foles told reporters on Wednesday that he has not taken any first-team reps with...

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Nick Foles to start for Colts on Monday night - ProFootballTalk

The Colts are turning to their third starting quarterback of the season.Nick Foles will start for the Colts on Monday night against the Chargers, Colts interim head coach Jeff Saturday said.Foles takes over for Matt Ryan, who is benched for the second time this season. The first time Ryan was...

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[foszoe]

This drama is better than watching SNL during its heyday

 

[Ingomike]

This drama is better than watching SNL during its heyday

Going to be fun watching this all play out.

Still think Saturday replaces Ballard and Harbaugh becomes coach…

 

[thunderchicken]

I’ve said it over and over. Chris Ballard is a great talent evaluator, but he has a flawed philosophy on roster building. That’s like the the #1 job of the GM. This roster is 100% his making, and it’s the laughingstock of the league right now.

Irsay has publicly said many times that he’s all in on Chris Ballard and has no plans of firing him. The buck stops with him.

He was pretty much all in on Reich too..until he wasn't

 

[thunderchicken]

I wouldn’t hate keeping Foles for next season as the bridge quarterback while the rookie QB gets his feet under him.

Frankly, I said it when they traded for Wentz that I would have rather seen them get Foles. Foles impressed me when he took over for the injured Wentz in Philly and lead the team to a championship