Civilians?

[Kutnupe14]

As a firefighter we have always just referred to them as the public or citizens

So given that guys in the military are also citizens and members of the public, military people are civilians too! So it's just us police and firefighters, the rest are civilians. Lol

 

[jamil]

A civilian is anyone who doesn't work in mall security.

 

[wtfd661]

Well thank God we figured this out, now I will be able to sleep again

 

[Lee11b]

all this has been very entertaining......

 

[rhino]

I like pie.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I like pie.

Hush your mouth! This is a bacon site, and don't you forget it!

 

[rugertoter]

Hush your mouth! This is a bacon site, and don't you forget it!

Ok, then I like bacon pie!

 

[atvdave]

I like pie.

I like Cherry Pie......

 

[chipbennett]

civilian: definition of civilian in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
civilian Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary civilian American English definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary

Obviously MW got it wrong. Tell me again why this is a controversy for some? Last I checked, the Pres and Congress are civilians, so its not a matter of authority.

I don't care how many dictionaries run with a changed definition. The formal definition of "civilian" is "one under civil law" (as opposed to one under military law). The distinction is civil vs military. There is significant danger to liberty in formally considering civilian police forces as non-civilian.

Colloquial/informal uses are just that, and don't concern me. But formal definitions that include police with non-civilians are a problem. Police are civilians, get their authority from civil (not military) law, and are accountable to civil (not military) law.

This has all been discussed at length, in the earlier pages of the thread - which for some reason was revived by someone making a drive-by comment that basically ignored pages of prior discussion.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I don't care how many dictionaries run with a changed definition. The formal definition of "civilian" is "one under civil law" (as opposed to one under military law). The distinction is civil vs military. There is significant danger to liberty in formally considering civilian police forces as non-civilian.

Colloquial/informal uses are just that, and don't concern me. But formal definitions that include police with non-civilians are a problem. Police are civilians, get their authority from civil (not military) law, and are accountable to civil (not military) law.

This has all been discussed at length, in the earlier pages of the thread - which for some reason was revived by someone making a drive-by comment that basically ignored pages of prior discussion.

While we are at it, we should also concede that 'militia' means that only the National Guard has a right to arms, 'regulate' means open-ended authority to micromanage without limit, and 'reasonable' means whatever the .gov decides to be acceptable at the moment.

 

[chipbennett]

While we are at it, we should also concede that 'militia' means that only the National Guard has a right to arms, 'regulate' means open-ended authority to micromanage without limit, and 'reasonable' means whatever the .gov decides to be acceptable at the moment.

Well, as long as Miriam-Webster updates their dictionaries accordingly...

 

[IndyDave1776]

Well, as long as Miriam-Webster updates their dictionaries accordingly...

I suppose the two points I find most disturbing are the inherent hazards of allowing language to be redefined for political reasons, and the underlying issues which are distressingly similar with the rise of the European nobility in the early middle ages.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

While we are at it, we should also concede that 'militia' means that only the National Guard has a right to arms, 'regulate' means open-ended authority to micromanage without limit, and 'reasonable' means whatever the .gov decides to be acceptable at the moment.

And, remember when "Talent" used to mean that a person could, play an instrument, act, sing, or dance well?

 

[IndyDave1776]

And, remember when "Talent" used to mean that a person could, play an instrument, act, sing, or dance well?

Absolutely, as opposed to simply shedding cloth.

 

[jamil]

I like pie.

I like Cherry Pie......

Cherry pie is good.

 

[zippy23]

i always thought there were only repubs and dems

 

[Denny347]

I like pie.

What kind of pie? Apple SUCKS!!!!!!!!

 

[Vigilant]

Cherry pie is good.

When come back bring pie! From the way back!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj1LFYSO2Kw

 

[IndyDave1776]

What kind of pie? Apple SUCKS!!!!!!!!

If you are going to be that way, I will take the honeycrisp apple pie and you can have the road apple pie!

 

[jamil]

When come back bring pie! From the way back!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj1LFYSO2Kw

mmmmmmmm!
pie!