CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[Hoosierdood]

Maybe we should just change the topic.

1. Did Jesus turn the water into real wine, or grape juice?
2. Which Bible translation is the right one?
3. Does God still speak to us through visions and dreams?
4. What kind of music does God like best?

There's some suggestions. Pick one.

 

[JettaKnight]

It appears CP didn't realize JK changed his text in the quote? maybe?

kumbaya my Lord ..... Kumbaya

-rvb

Speaking of lame campfire songs... who here can totally relate to this:

https://babylonbee.com/news/local-high-schooler-pretty-sure-sixth-camp-rededication-did-the-trick/

 

[JettaKnight]

1. Did Jesus turn the water into real wine, or grape juice?
2. Which Bible translation is the right one?
3. Does God still speak to us through visions and dreams?
4. What kind of music does God like best?

There's some suggestions. Pick one.

I have a Babylon Bee article for each.

https://babylonbee.com/news/john-macarthur-performs-miracle-at-wedding-turns-wine-into-water/
https://babylonbee.com/news/bee-explains-main-differences-popular-bible-translations/
https://babylonbee.com/news/prophetic-vision-church-includes-huge-salary-pastor/
https://babylonbee.com/news/worshiper-makes-joyful-horrifying-noise-lord/

 

[HoughMade]

1. Did Jesus turn the water into real wine, or grape juice?

Wine.

2. Which Bible translation is the right one?

Several. Bible Translations: How to Choose a Translation ? BenHammond.org

3. Does God still speak to us through visions and dreams?

Not new revelation, but the Holy Spirit can influence us in numerous ways.

4. What kind of music does God like best?

Any thing that glorifies Him, and that doesn't necessarily means songs about Him[/quote]
Next?

 

[JettaKnight]

Careful - Bott Radio will pick you up to replace Hank Hanigraff!

 

[Hoosierdood]

I have a Babylon Bee article for each.

https://babylonbee.com/news/john-macarthur-performs-miracle-at-wedding-turns-wine-into-water/
https://babylonbee.com/news/bee-explains-main-differences-popular-bible-translations/
https://babylonbee.com/news/prophetic-vision-church-includes-huge-salary-pastor/
https://babylonbee.com/news/worshiper-makes-joyful-horrifying-noise-lord/

I love the Bee

 

[JettaKnight]

I gotta share this - We picked up a new guitar player in our church because a rather large church in Ft. Wayne determined he is too old to play on their stage.

 

[HoughMade]

I gotta share this - We picked up a new guitar player in our church because a rather large church in Ft. Wayne determined he is too old to play on their stage.

Wisdom is with the aged, and understanding in length of days...but we're trying to display a young, hip image, so....

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Coming from a worship leader, that’s just sad...

 

[T.Lex]

Wait.

A "stage"? Like the ambo? Choir loft?

 

[JettaKnight]

Wait.

A "stage"? Like the ambo? Choir loft?

I mean a stage.

One Sunday I went there... it was a good show.

 

[JettaKnight]

Coming from a worship leader, that’s just sad...

We use the term "music leader" and "music team" as a way of conveying that worship is more than music.

 

[T.Lex]

I mean a stage.

One Sunday I went there... it was a good show.

Wait.

The words look like English, but when you put them together in that order, I get lost.

There's a stage. Like, raised platform for entertainers. Not just in a church, but used as part of the services. Like for entertainment.

During the service.

I must be missing something.

 

[PaulF]

Churches aren't losing worshippers because of the quality of the band that plays in the sanctuary during service, that's...well that's absurd.

Churches are losing worshippers because the core message doesn't resonate with people who aren't fully immersed in the tradition, and the world they inhabit looks nothing like the one being described to them.

Furthermore, the continual scandals are ripping a chasm open between your audience and yourself. The Catholic sex abuse scandal and its subsequent cover-up, the Fundamental LDS and their "Spiritual Marriages", the young-earthers, and the rapture cults, the faith healers, the prosperity gospel preachers...these things obscure the message, and turn people away from your faith. In other words, the everyday business of Christianity(tm) isn't very Christlike...those you wish to bring into the fold see this.

If you want to gain new followers you have to prove to them that your core message has relevance to their lives. People are getting more savvy to confidence schemes and the con men that run them. People recognize the traits of a con, and they steer away.

Your faith offers eternal life from an invisible man, but only after you die. If people want to learn more they can join your group, where you will solicit them for money, time, and loyalty...is it really that hard to believe you're setting off people's internal "scam alarms"?

You have an uphill climb here, guys. Seriously. It isn't a good latte or a hot band that's keeping people away...it's that your emperor is naked.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you have to be honest with what you're really up against here.

 

[JettaKnight]

Wait.

The words look like English, but when you put them together in that order, I get lost.

There's a stage. Like, raised platform for entertainers. Not just in a church, but used as part of the services. Like for entertainment.

During the service.

I must be missing something.

Trust me, you not.


We will never return.

 

[JettaKnight]

Churches aren't losing worshippers because of the quality of the band that plays in the sanctuary during service, that's...well that's absurd.

Churches are losing worshippers because the core message doesn't resonate with people who aren't fully immersed in the tradition, and the world they inhabit looks nothing like the one being described to them.

Furthermore, the continual scandals are ripping a chasm open between your audience and yourself. The Catholic sex abuse scandal and its subsequent cover-up, the Fundamental LDS and their "Spiritual Marriages", the young-earthers, and the rapture cults, the faith healers, the prosperity gospel preachers...these things obscure the message, and turn people away from your faith. In other words, the everyday business of Christianity(tm) isn't very Christlike...those you wish to bring into the fold see this.

If you want to gain new followers you have to prove to them that your core message has relevance to their lives. People are getting more savvy to confidence schemes and the con men that run them. People recognize the traits of a con, and they steer away.

Your faith offers eternal life from an invisible man, but only after you die. If people want to learn more they can join your group, where you will solicit them for money, time, and loyalty...is it really that hard to believe you're setting off people's internal "scam alarms"?

You have an uphill climb here, guys. Seriously. It isn't a good latte or a hot band that's keeping people away...it's that your emperor is naked.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you have to be honest with what you're really up against here.

You speak the truth.


(ignoring the invisible man thing )

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Churches aren't losing worshippers because of the quality of the band that plays in the sanctuary during service, that's...well that's absurd.

Churches are losing worshippers because the core message doesn't resonate with people who aren't fully immersed in the tradition, and the world they inhabit looks nothing like the one being described to them.

Furthermore, the continual scandals are ripping a chasm open between your audience and yourself. The Catholic sex abuse scandal and its subsequent cover-up, the Fundamental LDS and their "Spiritual Marriages", the young-earthers, and the rapture cults, the faith healers, the prosperity gospel preachers...these things obscure the message, and turn people away from your faith. In other words, the everyday business of Christianity(tm) isn't very Christlike...those you wish to bring into the fold see this.

If you want to gain new followers you have to prove to them that your core message has relevance to their lives. People are getting more savvy to confidence schemes and the con men that run them. People recognize the traits of a con, and they steer away.

Your faith offers eternal life from an invisible man, but only after you die. If people want to learn more they can join your group, where you will solicit them for money, time, and loyalty...is it really that hard to believe you're setting off people's internal "scam alarms"?

You have an uphill climb here, guys. Seriously. It isn't a good latte or a hot band that's keeping people away...it's that your emperor is naked.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you have to be honest with what you're really up against here.

Yep...the church, in too many ways, has become like the world it was warned not to. Being a Christian is an act of rebellion. Many churches have become indistinguishable from the world around it. You might as well stay home and sleep in.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Churches aren't losing worshippers because of the quality of the band that plays in the sanctuary during service, that's...well that's absurd.

Churches are losing worshippers because the core message doesn't resonate with people who aren't fully immersed in the tradition, and the world they inhabit looks nothing like the one being described to them.

Furthermore, the continual scandals are ripping a chasm open between your audience and yourself. The Catholic sex abuse scandal and its subsequent cover-up, the Fundamental LDS and their "Spiritual Marriages", the young-earthers, and the rapture cults, the faith healers, the prosperity gospel preachers...these things obscure the message, and turn people away from your faith. In other words, the everyday business of Christianity(tm) isn't very Christlike...those you wish to bring into the fold see this.

If you want to gain new followers you have to prove to them that your core message has relevance to their lives. People are getting more savvy to confidence schemes and the con men that run them. People recognize the traits of a con, and they steer away.

Your faith offers eternal life from an invisible man, but only after you die. If people want to learn more they can join your group, where you will solicit them for money, time, and loyalty...is it really that hard to believe you're setting off people's internal "scam alarms"?

You have an uphill climb here, guys. Seriously. It isn't a good latte or a hot band that's keeping people away...it's that your emperor is naked.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you have to be honest with what you're really up against here.

Lots of good stuff in there.

Ghandi has a good quote, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

 

[Hoosierdood]

Churches aren't losing worshippers because of the quality of the band that plays in the sanctuary during service, that's...well that's absurd.

Churches are losing worshippers because the core message doesn't resonate with people who aren't fully immersed in the tradition, and the world they inhabit looks nothing like the one being described to them.

Furthermore, the continual scandals are ripping a chasm open between your audience and yourself. The Catholic sex abuse scandal and its subsequent cover-up, the Fundamental LDS and their "Spiritual Marriages", the young-earthers, and the rapture cults, the faith healers, the prosperity gospel preachers...these things obscure the message, and turn people away from your faith. In other words, the everyday business of Christianity(tm) isn't very Christlike...those you wish to bring into the fold see this.

If you want to gain new followers you have to prove to them that your core message has relevance to their lives. People are getting more savvy to confidence schemes and the con men that run them. People recognize the traits of a con, and they steer away.

Your faith offers eternal life from an invisible man, but only after you die. If people want to learn more they can join your group, where you will solicit them for money, time, and loyalty...is it really that hard to believe you're setting off people's internal "scam alarms"?

You have an uphill climb here, guys. Seriously. It isn't a good latte or a hot band that's keeping people away...it's that your emperor is naked.

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you have to be honest with what you're really up against here.

How true this is, Paul. It is unfortunate that an entire group can be characterized by a few that take advantage of their positions. This happens with lots of groups though... police come to mind.

This was all bound to happen though. Paul the Apostle wrote to a young pastor name Timothy around 2000 years ago to make sure he stayed true to the teachings of Christianity because many wouldn't.

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

2 Timothy 4:1-4

 

[ArcadiaGP]

checkmate, theists