Carrying in the Summer

[Bubbajms]

What is the problem with long pants? They come in many different weights and fabrics, stop wearing wool and put on some cotton or even a Poly blend fabric. The breeze will cool your legs and the sun wont burn them. The same goes for shirts too.

I know, right?? Look at CSI - Miami! It's, what, 95 degrees down there, and they all walk around on the beach wearing all black, full-on suits, all kinds of stuff!! Emily Proctor FTW!

You need the following:

1. cheesy stash
2. loud shirt - unbuttoned
3. harry chest
4. 1911
5. friends name rick and tc

Rick and TC, Check, I've got both of them.
1911, Check
Harry Chest, Check, and the wife digs it too
Cheesy Stash, well, yeah! Why not!

HONEY.. WHERE'S MY HAWAIIAN SHIRT???

Where'd she go? Ohh, there she is.. getting into the car with a box marked "Goodwill"..

Uh-oh...

 

[bigg cheese]

hold please. Tom Selleck wants his show back.

 

[clt46910]

I run into a gun the other day and he reminded me of one of the ways the guys use to carry years ago. They wrapped a large rubber band around the handle of a Smith Chief and slipped in their waist band. The rubber band kept it from falling down their pants. Would not slip any farther then the rubber band. I do remember some of them using a black rubber band that looked like a part of a very small inner tube . Others just used a large rubber band wrapped a few times around the handle. I been trying it the last couple days. Seems to be working out great, have not slipped once and I am wearing a comfortable pair of shorts without a belt.

Found out it would be best to warm the gun up first if you are going commando...LOL

 

[bigg cheese]

not to get too icky, but that sounds like a leg-hair grabber..... *ouch

 

[SBG40]

OPEN CARRY VS. CONCEALED CARRY

This is so good saw this on ( OPEN CARRY.ORG) everyone read.

OPEN CARRY VS. CONCEALED CARRY​

Revision 1.24​

Written By: Garry E. Harvey
Contributing Editors: OpenCarry.org Members​

The purpose of this essay is to examine the two competing points of view within the handgun carry community and consider each one for its merits, both good and bad, from a common sense and logical point of view.

INTRODUCTION​

"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY"​

Weapons and firearms in particular have been personified by many in recent decades as being evil and able to impart that evil into anyone who chooses to wield the weapon. In the anti-gun community, the only ones who appear to be immune from the gun's evil are those acting under the authority of government. It has been engrained into the minds of millions that ordinary citizens cannot and should not be trusted with the ability to use firearms for protection much less carry them into the public. Anyone who advocates such action is labeled evil, dangerous, or a vigilante. This line of thinking appears to be slowing eroding away as evidenced by the fall of the once prominent and powerful anti-gun lobby. The number of people choosing to carry a weapon for self protection has been growing steadily since the first laws were enacted. The cry of anarchy and blood running in the streets by the anti-gun lobby has proven false. As this has become more and more apparent, no thinks to the main stream media, the average citizen is beginning to change their minds over the issue. Criminals in an armed society know that their actions may garner them instant peril of death should they choose the wrong victim. That old saying still proves to be as true as it ever was, "An armed society is a polite society."
Carrying a pistol has been a part of my daily routine for going on four years. During that time I've taken almost every opportunity to speak with people from each end of the spectrum regarding the issue. Before I ever received my permit I remember part of a conversation I had with a party advocate for the Al Gore campaign in early 2000. Among the issues I posed to her during our conversation was that of Mr. Gore's support of gun control measures. She scoffed at me and snobbishly remarked that we didn't live in the Wild West. At the time I was not as well versed in the issue as I am now and really had no response although with her status I would have had more luck convincing a fence post otherwise. Over the next seven years I made it a point to broach the topic every chance I had with whomever I thought might have an interesting opinion on the matter. I researched the writing of the founding fathers and their predecessors with fervor. I studied the history of gun-control in America from the civil war forward, the rise of anti-gun organizations and those pro-gun organizations who rose in opposition to defend the Constitution. Having made my decision as to which side I was on I was surprised at the sometimes hateful opposition to carrying a firearm openly by members of the pro-gun rights community. It is for this reason I have undertaken to write this for everyone within that community. Before I delve into specifics let me state firstly that how one chooses to carry their weapon is their own choice and should not be subjected to harassment from others who disagree with that choice. My purpose is not to hold one method above the other but rather detail the benefits of both and leave it to the reader to decide for his or herself which they prefer.

CONCEALED CARRY​

THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE​

The most prominent reason given by proponents of carrying concealed is the element of surprise. There are many hypothetical situations which have been posed to prove this point but they all boil down to the CRIMINAL not being aware of the ARMED CITIZEN as anymore of a threat than the UNARMED CITIZEN. The result is that the ARMED CITIZEN may reserve the option to use deadly force until the situation is favorable or not, should the threat cease.
What are the negatives associated with this logic and why is it not perfect in all situations? Well, one must first assume they will not be the sole primary target but rather a third party or in a group setting. The element of surprise is quickly rendered null once you are at knife or gunpoint with nothing to distract your attacker. Assuming the attacker becomes distracted sufficiently enough to attempt a weapon draw the victim must consider the risk and added time needed to draw from a concealed location. If all factors are not in the victim’s favor then the attacker is likely to win as his weapon was already in the ready position.
Another reason given for favoring concealed carry is the fear or perceived risk of the weapon being taken by the CRIMINAL. In one of two versions the CRIMINAL takes the weapon after it has been drawn from the holster and pointed at him. This is commonly shown in movies where the CRIMINAL takes the gun as the ARMED CITIZEN is too afraid to shoot. Unless the attacker is suicidal or the firearm is incapable of firing for some reason, expect to see this situation stay in the movies. The second of the two concerns the CRIMINAL successfully taking the weapon from the holster before the ARMED CITIZEN can react. This has happened to police officers and so it could happen to the ARMED CITIZEN as well but consider this following difference. In all but a minority of cases, the CRIMINAL took the officer's weapon once being confronted by the officer or while being placed under arrest. The act was one of desperation as the reward of escape outweighed the risk of taking the weapon from the officer. Assuming the weapon is properly holstered in a professional manner, the ARMED CITIZEN would only pose a threat to the CRIMINAL within a self-defense situation; the risk to the CRIMINAL would be overwhelming in attempting to steal the weapon as this act would trigger the self defense reaction from the ARMED CITIZEN.
Another less logical reason for not carrying openly is that one does not want to appear to be "looking for trouble." This line of thought seems to have evolved from the anti-gun accusation that everyone who carries a weapon is looking for a fight. The illogical hypothetical given for example tends to go as follows. The CRIMINAL sees the ARMED CITIZEN carrying a weapon and for no logical reason chooses to confront the ARMED CITIZEN and instigate a fight which inevitably ends with the CRIMINAL winning. Upon close scrutiny the reason and the hypothetical posed do not match up. First, why would the CRIMINAL want to fight an armed opponent for no reason? The CRIMINAL would have to lack any kind of judgment, have no fear of death and believe he is the fastest shooter on earth, not to mention invincible to bullets. Finally, how exactly is the ARMED CITIZEN the one "looking for trouble" when the CRIMINAL prompted the confrontation? Was it not the CRIMINAL "looking for trouble" by targeting the ARMED CITIZEN and pushing him into a self defense situation? This line of thinking is similar to accusing a rape victim of wanting to be raped because she was supposedly dressed provocatively.
Although there are other reasons I've been given for carrying concealed, the ones discussed have been some of the most prevalent; of the three only two hold some historical basis for concern but the last one falls apart upon a logical evaluation. The real reason for concealment has less to do with a tactical advantage, I think, and more to do with a social advantage. If the ARMED CITIZEN thinks he would be better served in a temporary social environment to have his weapon concealed then by all means do so. An example might be that you're shopping at a local mall owned and operated by big city politically correct hacks that are obviously anti-gun. If you know they'll ask you to leave their property should they become aware of you exercising your rights, it would be understandable to conceal it from their view; that is if you have to shop there. Maybe you're going to church and you don't want to draw attention from the preacher and his sermon. Bottom line, you should conceal when you think it is reasonable and serves a nobler purpose, not because someone pressured you.

THE CASE FOR OPEN CARRY​

BEWARE OF DOG/GUN​

A sign, be it text, picture, or symbol, is something visual which communicates a clear message to the observer. The observer can choose to disregard the sign but nonetheless they are forced to consider the message before proceeding. Examples of signs conveying an important message would be "BEWARE OF DOG", "NO SMOKING", "EMERGENCY EXIT", or the more ominous "DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED". Each sign aids the observer in any potential decision making. Of course, the observer may choose to ignore the warning but this choice will be made based on whether the potential reward outweighs the risk.
The case for open carry is simple. I would submit that in much the same way that a sign works, when the ARMED CITIZEN carries his weapon in the open it communicates a clear message to any observer. To an observer who has no intention of causing harm or using illegal force the sign should be meaningless. However, when the CRIMINAL observes this same sign he must reconsider whether the potential reward outweighs the risk. Where the risk was simply being caught or having to physically overpower the UNARMED CITIZEN it now suddenly rises to potentially enduring great pain and death when confronting the ARMED CITIZEN. Do insane or even desperate CRIMINALS exist who would disregard such an obvious sign and follow through with an attack? As with any possibility the answer is YES but even though they exist their actions do not support the opposing view that open carry should be avoided. They can still be potentially stopped by the ARMED CITIZEN once he becomes aware of the CRIMINALS intent to present a lethal threat.
With regard to the element of surprise discussed earlier, open carry actually supersedes the need for surprise. If carrying openly causes the CRIMINAL to avoid you and those around you as his victims then the need for surprise is negated. Your display of an ability to employ deadly force has avoided the confrontation before it even began, avoided the threat to your life and having to actually use your weapon. As the CRIMINAL moves on to easier prey you will likely never be aware it even happened.

CONCLUSION​

THE REAL PROBLEM WITH OPEN CARRY​

What is the real reason some shy from open carry? I believe it to be fear; the anxiety of having to confront someone hostile to their choice to carry a weapon for personal defense. As a pro-carry activist I welcome it but I can understand where a large section of armed citizens do not. Are there times when it is expedient to conceal your sidearm, definitely! Should you feel ashamed to carry it openly, NO! Hundreds of thousands of people have fought state after state to pass legislation to restore that right which was once only granted at the behest of local law enforcement.
Anti-gun hacks claim to have a right to "feel safe." This non-existent right has been twisted from the right to "be secure in one's person and effects" a right I exercise whenever I carry my weapon. The anti-gun crowd has the twisted perception that the weapon and not the criminal is the threat. They will and have called the police to harass the ARMED CITIZEN; I advise you show your permit and carry on. They may card you as many times as they wish as I long as you know you are legal nothing they do should stop you from carrying openly.
We, the pro-carry citizens, have to stop criticizing each other. We have to stop playing footsy with the politically correct crowd and stick together. Public opinion can be swayed in our favor if we as law abiding citizens can show through open carry that we are safe, caring individuals whose only want is to be able to defend our family and ourselves from needless victimization. Ben Franklin said it best when he explained that "the very fame of our strength and readiness would be a means of discouraging our enemies; for tis a wise and true saying that one sword often keeps the other in the scabbard. The way to secure peace is to be prepared for war. Those who are on the guard and appear ready to receive their adversaries are in much less danger of attack than the secure, the supine, and the negligent."

2007, Garry Harvey. This essay may be reproduced with the condition that it be kept in its entirety and cited accordingly.

 

[Armed-N-Ready]

Smartcarry rules

I happen to drive someone else's Ferrari on a frequent basis



Smartcarry comes through again! I can carry concealed without a shirt AND still carry a full-size firearm if I want. Heck, I can even carry in trunks if I want..

I will agree on brown belt/black pants.. I only own one pair of black pants, and I have a nice black belt to go with them. Other than that, I wear brown all the time!

+1 on the Smartcarry, although I was a bit worried at first carrying my "rifle and gun" so close together. Carried with my XD9 for three days around the house and my wife and daughter did not even notice.

 

[finity]

I almost always carry appendix when I'm off-duty. You can wear short and a tank-top and you'll never see it. That is what I usually wear in the summer anyway.

+1

I only carry in the appendix position when I carry concealed. It is one of the most comfortable & concealable positions I've found & ease of access is great.

 

[Joe Williams]

I'd like to nominate homeless for the position of "INGO fashion police."

Also, maybe we could dedicate a portion of the forum so he could answer questions. We could call it "Style eye for the gun guy" or something like that.

Great post, homeless!

How's this for fashion? Getting ready to head out to Shades park for a little walk and actually getting out of the house on a pretty weekend, for a change.

My usual casual summer attire: Never say die patched jeans, t-shirt, and fancy dancy Sig Tac vest my wife bought me last year. If the vest isn't along, then a t-shirt and unbuttoned Hawaiin shirt (or any other shirt) will do quite nicely. It's an ensemble that is eminently practical, and makes a statement all it's own

Really is pretty much how I dress for summer, though sometimes the pants and shirt will be a little "better." The vest or an unbuttoned shirt does the job just fine. Everybody who knows anything about gun carriers knows I've got a gun, but I don't much care about that. The general public doesn't, and that's pretty much the extent of my concern.

 

[cce1302]

That's good stuff, Joe. S&W stainless revolver with Pachmyers and a speedloader, what's not to like? The MOE shirt is a great touch.
Would you like to be the spokesmodel?

 

[agentl074]

Summer would be an excellent excuse for me to OC my G20 lol Other than that, I dont like how IWB holsters fit me so I may use a Blackhawk fanny pack style holster for my Sigpro. Although I could always just wear one of my Hawaiian style shirts over a t-shirt lol.

 

[pudly]

The MOE shirt is a great touch.

Actually, it's a Curly shirt. I'm sure it's quite the chick-magnet.

 

[Joe Williams]

Actually, it's a Curly shirt. I'm sure it's quite the chick-magnet.

I'm married, which means she is contractually obligated to find me hot.

Not that one needs contracts with style like mine. Need to get hold of those folks from "What Not To Wear" and show 'em how it's done

 

[Hellion_1]

This has been a great thread to read. I have enjoyed all of the different takes on CC and OC. I have always carried my weapon at the 3 o'clock position with a light jacket since I have never found a CC position that was comfortable enough to carry while sitting.

My mid-sized internal bacon storage device (gut) makes in-pants holsters uncomfortable.

I think after reading that great article that was copied here from opencarry.org, I will just open carry. My Fobus paddle holster is quite comfortable, and I cannot stand to wear my shirt untucked. Weird, I know.

 

[ATM]

Does anyone feel strange wearing their backup ankle holster with shorts and sandals?

 

[Joe Williams]

Does anyone feel strange wearing their backup ankle holster with shorts and sandals?

That's why I suggest just skipping the shorts and sandals. A whole new meaning to "open carry"

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Joe...it's a LTCHandgun, not Saber

 

[ah1g]

I use a Fobus paddle w/ my Ruger P90. Shirt tucked in or out, either is fine with me.

 

[ADT knights]

at the most recent gun show in indy i bought an iwb holster the one that clips over the waistband not one held on by a belt. it was a great buy perfect for summer time cc. i can wear it with gym shorts or any other kind of bottoms... just remember to tie the wasteband strings with gym shorts.

 

[Skoty]

I wear t-shirts and shorts and sandals. MTAC IWB holster. Yea, it prints when I bend over, but eh, not worried about it. When I am standing, nobody knows I am CC'ing though. My shirts aren't baggy either, not tight just.. how you say.. good fit? Most of my shirts are solid colors as well. When I go out on dates and what not, I wear a snug button up dress shirt. Still don't have any print issues unless bending over. MTAC keeps my SR9 really snug to my body.