Bye, bye America (as we know it)

[BehindBlueI's]

We did NOT have school shootings until the millennial generation came along.

Sure we did. We just didn't have a 24 hour news cycle with cable tv, the Internet, etc. making them all national events. I went to middle school in Louisville in the late 80s, Thomas Jefferson Middle School. A cracked up idiot drove up in the bus circle in front of the school and emptied a "deer rifle" at us while we were outside doing a scavenger hunt type activity. The first school shooting in Kentucky was in 1853, a student took a pistol to school and shot the headmaster. This isn't something new.

The difference now is you get famous. It's like "leaked" sex tapes. One person does it and gets famous, then a bunch of others who crave that level of attention copy-cat right along.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

"...Generation?"

Sure.

[video=youtube;qN5zw04WxCc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5zw04WxCc[/video]

 

[GREEN607]

After reading the article/viewing the clip.... I decided to post this thread, to observe the reaction/'replies' I knew it would generate. And there are many.

One thing I noticed years ago, in MY life .... and is evident in many of the posts in this thread; is this..... "once you become a parent, your view of things like social issues and politics, is forever changed..... one way or the other".

Unfortunately, after our children reach a certain stage in life, we can no longer influence them as much as we believe we can. I think it would be easier for the 'grandparents'.....

 

[churchmouse]

After reading the article/viewing the clip.... I decided to post this thread, to observe the reaction/'replies' I knew it would generate. And there are many.

One thing I noticed years ago, in MY life .... and is evident in many of the posts in this thread; is this..... "once you become a parent, your view of things like social issues and politics, is forever changed..... one way or the other".

Unfortunately, after our children reach a certain stage in life, we can no longer influence them as much as we believe we can. I think it would be easier for the 'grandparents'.....

We have come to see this as well. So much truth here.

 

[Trigger Time]

People always want to point at the kids and sure you have to take responsibility for your own actions, but that's the biggest problem I see today is that parents havent taught their kids respect for their elders, respect for women (as a young man), common courtesy and decency. They havent given them a moral compass or if they did they never enforced it or any rules.
I see people transfixed to their cell phones or headphones and missing the world around them and forgetting how to interact with people on a personal level. I hear "that's not fair" and "I, I, I," all the time because parents have taught their children the world revolves around them and that everyone else just exists to wait on them hand and foot.
Parents need to start being parents again and NOT their children's friends. There is a difference. And if they break rules and disrespect you or others then spank that ass.

 

[ghuns]

Millennials will grow out of their socialistic tendencies when they start making $$$ and have to pay for it.

When they are busting their arse to make a good life, and come to the shocking realization that they are "the rich" people that certain politicians rail against, but in no way feel rich, they'll come around.

Another thing I find interesting, my millennial children and many of their friends are farther to the political right than most of INGO. In no way do I think they are in the majority, but there's more of them than we'd all tend to think. I read an article somewhere that tried to explain this. It basically said young people want to rebel. And when they rebel, they rebel against the dominant culture of the day. Because the left has become the dominant force in our culture, the left becomes the target of their rebellion. Anyways, it's a theory.

 

[Mark-DuCo]

I fall under the "millennial" label unfortunately, I was born in 1989. I have had a job since I was 15, started out stocking shelves and sacking groceries, and now I have been the Production Manager for a very successful furniture company for 6 years. I paid off $25,000 in student loans 2 years after I got out of college. I own my car and truck, not the bank. I also own 10 acres and am building my house mostly by myself to save money.

I would consider myself very successful and definitely conservative. Maybe I am a rare millennial, but almost all of my classmates and friends around my age turned out this way. I can only think of a handful that didn't. I personally think that the good millennials are way more common than some think, the media just doesn't focus on us.

 

[jamil]

It's just another identity group. And it suffers from the problems with identity groups.

"generations": Pick a range of years in which people were born. Label it. Tabulate some statistics about the people who were born in that range of years. Determine what can be learned about the group based on the statistics.

From there, you can do some good things and some bad things about applying what you've learned.

If you then attribute to the whole group, some attributes shared by some of the the group, even if a majority, you've gone past the usefulness of grouping people.

 

[churchmouse]

Millennials will grow out of their socialistic tendencies when they start making $$$ and have to pay for it.

When they are busting their arse to make a good life, and come to the shocking realization that they are "the rich" people that certain politicians rail against, but in no way feel rich, they'll come around.

Another thing I find interesting, my millennial children and many of their friends are farther to the political right than most of INGO. In no way do I think they are in the majority, but there's more of them than we'd all tend to think. I read an article somewhere that tried to explain this. It basically said young people want to rebel. And when they rebel, they rebel against the dominant culture of the day. Because the left has become the dominant force in our culture, the left becomes the target of their rebellion. Anyways, it's a theory.

No, they usually do not completely grow out of this. To a point maybe but the mind set is hard to change. I know of maybe 10 solid examples of this.

 

[jamil]

No, they usually do not completely grow out of this. To a point maybe but the mind set is hard to change. I know of maybe 10 solid examples of this.

I think it depends largely on what extent people allow others and life to teach them. Young people who think they know who they are, need to consider that their future selves will be different, and they should actually HOPE for that. We don't come standard out of the womb with a life's worth of knowledge built in.

Their future selves will know much more than their current selves do, if all goes well. But. If they assume they have nothing to learn from other people or from life, their future self will pretty much be their current self. I've seen a number of those types. My first 15 or so years of adulthood was a lot like that.

 

[Shadow01]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/4/majority-millennials-want-live-socialist-fascist-o/
Millennials would rather live in socialist or communist nation than under capitalism: Poll
[FONT=&amp]'This troubling turn highlights widespread historical illiteracy in American society'[/FONT]





From the wiki. Couldn't find a listing for them in Media bias/Fact check



How about the Red Leg generation

Would it be cheaper for our country in the long run to buy each of them a one way air fare to Moscow?

 

[Trigger Time]

The time range to fall into these classifications is too broad to nail people into a generation. Also some people have older parents that grew up in a totaly different era than their classmates parents. My dad was born in 1940. Most of the people my age had parents born 15 or more years after that. That's a big gap.
I never really fit in with people around my age group. I always hung with the older crowd.
Hell a lot of people in their mid to late 20's NOW I seem to have more in common with than people my own age too. I think the next generation of WORKING Americans will take the wheel Just fine. The people running things (politicians, executives, ect) are usualy never part of the working class anyways so I think that is part of the problem. Also like mentioned above once you have to earn your own way or starve, you start to have a different opinion.
These social systems we have that reward laziness and worthless pieces of **** and also give criminals a better prison life than their street life, IS also the problem. I'm so sick and tired of all these wimpy crybaby pansies that cant handle the real world and hard work or punishment for crimes.
If it was up to me we would bring back public flogging, hangings, duels, tar and feathering, fisticuffs. Yep, men would be men and women would be women

 

[CKW]

The time range to fall into these classifications is too broad to nail people into a generation. Also some people have older parents that grew up in a totaly different era than their classmates parents. My dad was born in 1940. Most of the people my age had parents born 15 or more years after that. That's a big gap.
I never really fit in with people around my age group. I always hung with the older crowd.
Hell a lot of people in their mid to late 20's NOW I seem to have more in common with than people my own age too. I think the next generation of WORKING Americans will take the wheel Just fine. The people running things (politicians, executives, ect) are usualy never part of the working class anyways so I think that is part of the problem. Also like mentioned above once you have to earn your own way or starve, you start to have a different opinion.
These social systems we have that reward laziness and worthless pieces of **** and also give criminals a better prison life than their street life, IS also the problem. I'm so sick and tired of all these wimpy crybaby pansies that cant handle the real world and hard work or punishment for crimes.
If it was up to me we would bring back public flogging, hangings, duels, tar and feathering, fisticuffs. Yep, men would be men and women would be women

this discussion came up tonight. Floggings hangings. Dueling might be interesting

 

[GREEN607]

The time range to fall into these classifications is too broad to nail people into a generation. Also some people have older parents that grew up in a totaly different era than their classmates parents. My dad was born in 1940. Most of the people my age had parents born 15 or more years after that. That's a big gap.
I never really fit in with people around my age group. I always hung with the older crowd.
Hell a lot of people in their mid to late 20's NOW I seem to have more in common with than people my own age too. I think the next generation of WORKING Americans will take the wheel Just fine. The people running things (politicians, executives, ect) are usualy never part of the working class anyways so I think that is part of the problem. Also like mentioned above once you have to earn your own way or starve, you start to have a different opinion.
These social systems we have that reward laziness and worthless pieces of **** and also give criminals a better prison life than their street life, IS also the problem. I'm so sick and tired of all these wimpy crybaby pansies that cant handle the real world and hard work or punishment for crimes.
If it was up to me we would bring back public flogging, hangings, duels, tar and feathering, fisticuffs. Yep, men would be men and women would be women

This is definitely a big part of the issue. My generation, and certainly those 15 years younger than me......... many of us never made our children learn it, or made them live it. Too many peeps in their late 20's and early 30'........ never learned a good work ethic. Certainly not ALL, but too many. And it's not entirely their fault, either. The era in which they "grew up" was/is a technological whirlwind.... and news, politics, crime and social issues are constantly bombarding their (our) minds and daily lives.

Millennials grew up with TEN TIMES the electrical and technical devices as my generation. Some of them caused them to believe they didn't have to think for themselves. And yet, many of them are very smart and many are indeed hard-working people. Part of the problem, admittedly, is..... as I said above, we didn't make them "live it" growing up. We let them have every new gadget; let them go out unsupervised at far too early an age and their access to a vast communication media and social websites isn't something we should have let them experiment with, without guidance.

 

[breakingcontact]

When folks criticize the millennials (and they deserve some criticism), we also need to ask, who raised them?

 

[1DOWN4UP]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTSwUig2-0b . If this link is true,this millennial Anti American attitude is just the beginning.

 

[churchmouse]

I think it depends largely on what extent people allow others and life to teach them. Young people who think they know who they are, need to consider that their future selves will be different, and they should actually HOPE for that. We don't come standard out of the womb with a life's worth of knowledge built in.

Their future selves will know much more than their current selves do, if all goes well. But. If they assume they have nothing to learn from other people or from life, their future self will pretty much be their current self. I've seen a number of those types. My first 15 or so years of adulthood was a lot like that.

My attitude and mind set have gone through many changes. I used to be a Dem. I also needed to shake off some things mt parents implanted in my mind.
But I saw the light and wanted/needed to get on a different path. I know i is up to the individual. But I also see a lot that is different with this group.

 

[jamil]

My attitude and mind set have gone through many changes. I used to be a Dem. I also needed to shake off some things mt parents implanted in my mind.
But I saw the light and wanted/needed to get on a different path. I know i is up to the individual. But I also see a lot that is different with this group.

What we see with the group is just that a higher number of individuals have been coddled, and that's not their fault. A higher number of them have been biased left by a largely left institutions, and that's not their fault either. But, they also have some good traits. The younger folks I work with are really solid. Many of them have their heads on straighter than I did at that age.

 

[JettaKnight]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTSwUig2-0b . If this link is true,this millennial Anti American attitude is just the beginning.

Millennial, as in age group, not Muslim as in religious group.

 

[Leadeye]

I fall under the "millennial" label unfortunately, I was born in 1989. I have had a job since I was 15, started out stocking shelves and sacking groceries, and now I have been the Production Manager for a very successful furniture company for 6 years. I paid off $25,000 in student loans 2 years after I got out of college. I own my car and truck, not the bank. I also own 10 acres and am building my house mostly by myself to save money.

I would consider myself very successful and definitely conservative. Maybe I am a rare millennial, but almost all of my classmates and friends around my age turned out this way. I can only think of a handful that didn't. I personally think that the good millennials are way more common than some think, the media just doesn't focus on us.

I would imagine that growing up in your county has something to do with that. Never lived there, but I've spent a lot of time there and can say that it's a very unique place.