Bye, bye America (as we know it)

[jamil]

A poll of 2300 people. Who did they call, Seattle residents?
Our last Presidential election taught me everything I needed to know about polls.

Are the millennials who staff our military also a bunch of commies? Inquiring minds want to know.

What do millennials think? Are they a monolith or does the poll just represent proportions of how millennials answered the questions?

One thing I’ve noticed in my own interactions with millennials that tends to confirm one of the poll question results. They don’t tend to have a good understanding of free market capitalism. I think schools have increasingly taught Marxism and socialism more favorably, and capitalism less favorably.

 

[jamil]

Ok so lets look at the history of school shooters. Are they usually done by popular kids, the captain of the football team? No, they are done by the ones who feel alone, unwanted and considered outsiders. Depression is less likely to occur in a person who feels needed, wanted or liked by a society. In this thread alone you have referred to a generation as commies, made a post mocking a guy living in his parents house, and have pushed blame on millennial's. You're signature alone jokes at people for what clothing they wear. You're out casting people who are different than you. You chose to point out what your differences are and belittle others instead of looking at what we share in common.

I'm not saying you pushed anyone over the edge to commit a tragedy but you're contributing to the separation of society. Im guilty of it too. I am no angel, but i can learn from my mistakes. Obviously there's always going to be someone thats bat **** crazy, and wants to watch the world burn. But how can we expect our children to be kind and not bully each other if we as adults cant even be civil with each other?

C'mon. Maybe you could read/re-read my posts in this thread. No. Seriously. Right now. Before you continue reading the rest of this.

Okay, now that you've read them all, reconcile the body of evidence and infer the most likely meaning rather than the one you inferred. Am I really casting people who are different from me? Do you still think I think you're all commies? Do you still think I'm mocking someone for living in his parents house? Do you still think I'm pushing blame on millennials? And about the parents house thing. It's a common meme. It's a joke. The emoji should make that clear.

About my sig line. What makes you think I'm poking fun at clothes people ware? What details about that simple sentence makes you believe I'm mocking people's clothing? What might you have inferred that isn't supported with facts? The fact is, that statement is a practical truth. A word of warning. Fashion isn't always practical. It's nothing more than that. You can take that however you want, but don't judge until you understand it.

But seriously, I really do wish millennials would be a bit more critical of Marx than the polls and my personal experience suggest they are. That's not an intent to disparage all millennials. It's just a wistful statement aimed towards just the individuals who are too favorable towards Marx for all our own good.

 

[BluedSteel]

The issue with all of this is that we are all to blame. We are all Americans, despite our beliefs, political leanings, or age. We need to stop pointing fingers at each other.

I read all your posts before this one and mostly agreed with them. But, respectfully, you just ran off the rails. We are definitely not ALL to blame. Not even close. And regardless of whether it's the pre-school playground, the police line-up or the people on the street; pointing fingers is how things get done. Separating the wolves from the sheep is the first necessary step to protecting the flock. Honestly now, do you change all four tires when your car has a flat? They're all tires. None of them is making the rotations necessary to get you to your destination. Therefore they're all to blame, right?

Think Root Cause Analysis; look it up if you're unfamiliar with the concept. There are dozens of "old-timey" proverbs meant to teach common sense that were used in previous generations. And actual Biblical Proverbs that were commonly used to teach discretion in generations before mine. If you truly believe that "we're all to blame" then logically you should be willing to accept your part of a collective punishment for the misdeeds of others. You openly claim to be deserving of it.

Step up for that and I will begin to take your argument seriously. Not before.

I agree with Route 45 that "no generation is a monolith". Undeniably true. But we were all better off as individuals and a society when John Donne's "No Man Is an Island" was taught both as literature and life lesson.

 

[kickbacked]

C'mon. Maybe you could read/re-read my posts in this thread. No. Seriously. Right now. Before you continue reading the rest of this.

Okay, now that you've read them all, reconcile the body of evidence and infer the most likely meaning rather than the one you inferred. Am I really casting people who are different from me? Do you still think I think you're all commies? Do you still think I'm mocking someone for living in his parents house? Do you still think I'm pushing blame on millennials? And about the parents house thing. It's a common meme. It's a joke. The emoji should make that clear.

About my sig line. What makes you think I'm poking fun at clothes people ware? What details about that simple sentence makes you believe I'm mocking people's clothing? What might you have inferred that isn't supported with facts? The fact is, that statement is a practical truth. A word of warning. Fashion isn't always practical. It's nothing more than that. You can take that however you want, but don't judge until you understand it.

But seriously, I really do wish millennial's would be a bit more critical of Marx than the polls and my personal experience suggest they are. That's not an intent to disparage all millennial's. It's just a wistful statement aimed towards just the individuals who are too favorable towards Marx for all our own good.

You have side stepped every thing i've said in this thread.
Your quote:
"Some encouraging news. The generation beyond millennials are shaping up a little better. Seems like they're a bit more libertarian than their commie parents."

You know very well your sig line is a joke. Don't act like its a completely random statement. Its not even fact, you could tie my legs together and i could change a tire, hell id even rotate and balance them. Clothes dont make the man.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

Ok so lets look at the history of school shooters. Are they usually done by popular kids, the captain of the football team? No, they are done by the ones who feel alone, unwanted and considered outsiders. Depression is less likely to occur in a person who feels needed, wanted or liked by a society. In this thread alone you have referred to a generation as commies, made a post mocking a guy living in his parents house, and have pushed blame on millennial's. You're signature alone jokes at people for what clothing they wear. You're out casting people who are different than you. You chose to point out what your differences are and belittle others instead of looking at what we share in common.

Im not saying you pushed anyone over the edge to commit a tragedy but you're contributing to the separation of society. Im guilty of it too. I am no angel, but i can learn from my mistakes. Obviously there's always going to be someone thats bat **** crazy, and wants to watch the world burn. But how can we expect our children to be kind and not bully each other if we as adults cant even be civil with each other?

This seems really close to the "everyone gets a trophy" and "cry closet" philosophies of today's liberals. Life will kick you in the nuts sometimes. Deal with it.

 

[wtburnette]

Life will kick you in the nuts sometimes. Deal with it.

That is what I wish was taught more, both at school and home. Life is not fair and sometimes you're going to lose. Here are some strategies for dealing with when these things happen, or learning how to "suck it up" and move on.

 

[churchmouse]

That is what I wish was taught more, both at school and home. Life is not fair and sometimes you're going to lose. Here are some strategies for dealing with when these things happen, or learning how to "suck it up" and move on.

The suck it up buttercup part. No more Trophys or medals handed out for no or minimal effort.

 

[wtburnette]

The suck it up buttercup part. No more Trophys or medals handed out for no or minimal effort.

Agreed. It teaches the kids that things will always be okay and they will always win, which is absolutely not true. Just setting them up for failure.

 

[churchmouse]

Agreed. It teaches the kids that things will always be okay and they will always win, which is absolutely not true. Just setting them up for failure.

Yes and we are seeing the end results right now.

 

[jamil]

You have side stepped every thing i've said in this thread.
Your quote:
"Some encouraging news. The generation beyond millennials are shaping up a little better. Seems like they're a bit more libertarian than their commie parents."

You know very well your sig line is a joke. Don't act like its a completely random statement. Its not even fact, you could tie my legs together and i could change a tire, hell id even rotate and balance them. Clothes dont make the man.

Ah. I see. You're a skinny jeans guy, and I hurt your feels. Don't take it personally, man. It is a practical statement. Yeah, there's some humor intended, as is often my way. But it's a practical statement. I'd rather sacrifice fashion for practical. Maybe changing a tire is easy for you in skinny jeans. Well, try it in roomy jeans. Fashion is a harmful social construct. It makes people touchy about the things they wear.

And about the "commie" quote. I don't think bad of millennials generally speaking. But you're not helping. Calm down. It was a joke. Please tell me you don't think I've victimized you. I assume you reread my posts as I suggested. My more serious statements about not blaming an entire generation should give you a hint. Your reaction is not helping the stereotype. But no worries. Most of my coworkers are millennials. I know many individuals in your generation have senses of humor. Lighten up.

But on a serious note, I do wish more millennials would not be so fond of Marx.

 

[jamil]

This seems really close to the "everyone gets a trophy" and "cry closet" philosophies of today's liberals. Life will kick you in the nuts sometimes. Deal with it.

I think we should make a distinction between liberals and radical progressives. Liberals still believe in enlightenment principles. They're people you can have conversations with and agree on some things, and disagree with some things about how to ordering society. When there is no apparent limit in the leftward direction towards which they want to progress, I'd say that's a clear distinction for an insane progressive ideology.

It's the progressives who think safe spaces, cry closets, etcetera, is the way to order society. Plenty of liberals stand opposed to that nonsense.

 

[Ingomike]

I think we should make a distinction between liberals and radical progressives. Liberals still believe in enlightenment principles. They're people you can have conversations with and agree on some things, and disagree with some things about how to ordering society. When there is no apparent limit in the leftward direction towards which they want to progress, I'd say that's a clear distinction for an insane progressive ideology.

It's the progressives who think safe spaces, cry closets, etcetera, is the way to order society. Plenty of liberals stand opposed to that nonsense.

The more I study the greater the realization that the labels I thought absolute in my youth are not so absolute. Today's conservative shares many beliefs with "liberals" of the past, possibly more than conservatives of the past. Old labels of right and left, both in our countries politics and in world affairs, need to be retired as they were definitive of times past and seem not relevant to our current situation. The old trope that Nazi's are in any way related to conservatives is ridiculous. And much of the oppression in the west is from a utopian center majority epitomized by Google and Facebook et al.

M

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

The suck it up buttercup part. No more Trophys or medals handed out for no or minimal effort.

That's why somedays I wish the sun would spazz and fry us with an emp to force us to start again without all the feel-good BS .
You want " nice stuff " , get off your ass and work for it . We all got lied to, get over it .

 

[jamil]

The more I study the greater the realization that the labels I thought absolute in my youth are not so absolute. Today's conservative shares many beliefs with "liberals" of the past, possibly more than conservatives of the past. Old labels of right and left, both in our countries politics and in world affairs, need to be retired as they were definitive of times past and seem not relevant to our current situation. The old trope that Nazi's are in any way related to conservatives is ridiculous. And much of the oppression in the west is from a utopian center majority epitomized by Google and Facebook et al.

M

You're right, except I'd say the left/right paradigm has always been insufficient to describe the political spectrum. So it's not as much outdated as imprecise. But left/right is simpler. But it places many people incorrectly. I think that's why so many want to pigeonhole libertarians as being right wing, for example. Some libertarians are right wing (Austin Peterson), some are left wing (Gary Johnson). But they're both opposed to large government.

The point about liberals as opposed to progressives, draws a distinction where they're incompatible. Progressives are generally liberal, yes. But progressives advocate imposing their liberal views on others to bring about the "progress" they want. The problem with that. Not everyone agrees on what is progress. The right certainly doesn't. So the progressives feel just fine with marginalizing the people who oppose their "progress". This puts many liberals at odds with progressives because doing that is anti-liberal.

Another incompatibility with liberals is that liberals still generally believe in having free societies, which operate on the principle of individual liberty. There's no such thing as collective liberty because there's really no functional difference between collective liberty and government power. It seems that progressives are just fine with doing away with individual liberty to impose their ideals, in a way that liberals aren't willing to do.

 

[MinuteManMike]

The country was stabbed in the back by "THE GREATEST". Who implemented FDRs communist BS and then the 1965 Immigration Act to seal the deal.

This country will not be fixed without bloodshed. I don't want it, I don't look forward to it but the USA has had the biggest invasion of various types of humans in the history of mankind.

This is not going to end well.

 

[kickbacked]

I read all your posts before this one and mostly agreed with them. But, respectfully, you just ran off the rails. We are definitely not ALL to blame. Not even close. And regardless of whether it's the pre-school playground, the police line-up or the people on the street; pointing fingers is how things get done. Separating the wolves from the sheep is the first necessary step to protecting the flock. Honestly now, do you change all four tires when your car has a flat? They're all tires. None of them is making the rotations necessary to get you to your destination. Therefore they're all to blame, right?

Think Root Cause Analysis; look it up if you're unfamiliar with the concept. There are dozens of "old-timey" proverbs meant to teach common sense that were used in previous generations. And actual Biblical Proverbs that were commonly used to teach discretion in generations before mine. If you truly believe that "we're all to blame" then logically you should be willing to accept your part of a collective punishment for the misdeeds of others. You openly claim to be deserving of it.

Step up for that and I will begin to take your argument seriously. Not before.

I agree with Route 45 that "no generation is a monolith". Undeniably true. But we were all better off as individuals and a society when John Donne's "No Man Is an Island" was taught both as literature and life lesson.

I dont disagree that a wolf should be pointed out. But a wolf is a wolf from birth, its in its genetics to hunt the sheep. When i was discussing finger pointing i wasnt suggesting no one cant say that guy did it. I was suggesting that finger pointing is no good when someones says something along the lines of," you're in the nra, you have blood on your hands" or " you created soft targets and this is your fault". This is just a back and forth argument that never changes peoples minds and only digs them deeper into their mindset. Nothing ever gets solved in these cases but just adds more resentment. I dont think in a lot of these cases, these kids are born wolves, they are sheep. So what makes a sheep turn on its own? I am using root cause analysis in this thinking. How we handle day to day life with other humans causes a chain of reactions, positive or negative in another persons life. As for my sins i will have to answer for them one day to my God.

This seems really close to the "everyone gets a trophy" and "cry closet" philosophies of today's liberals. Life will kick you in the nuts sometimes. Deal with it.

Life has kicked me in the nuts many times. I dont think having kindness for someone even though they're different means everyone gets a trophy or a cry closet. Im strongly against everyone getting a trophy unless its something like t-ball or a similar first year program where kids are just learning the game. Ive coached kids baseball. I hate the idea that everyone gets a trophy. I didnt play the everyone gets to pick their spot game and some parents complained that their kid wasn't getting the playing time at the position they wanted. I told them that if their kid wants to play a certain position they need to work harder, listen to coaches and participate in practice. Im not going to let a kid play first base when i have one that listens to me, pays attention and always give 100%. I was lucky enough to experience championships in both baseball and football when i played. 1 time for each sport, but there were many more years i didnt win and those years made winning that much more sweet.

Ah. I see. You're a skinny jeans guy, and I hurt your feels. Don't take it personally, man. It is a practical statement. Yeah, there's some humor intended, as is often my way. But it's a practical statement. I'd rather sacrifice fashion for practical. Maybe changing a tire is easy for you in skinny jeans. Well, try it in roomy jeans. Fashion is a harmful social construct. It makes people touchy about the things they wear.

And about the "commie" quote. I don't think bad of millennials generally speaking. But you're not helping. Calm down. It was a joke. Please tell me you don't think I've victimized you. I assume you reread my posts as I suggested. My more serious statements about not blaming an entire generation should give you a hint. Your reaction is not helping the stereotype. But no worries. Most of my coworkers are millennials. I know many individuals in your generation have senses of humor. Lighten up.

But on a serious note, I do wish more millennials would not be so fond of Marx.

Im actually not a skinny jeans guy. Im probably 100lbs too heavy to be one. I dont think you have to always sacrifice fashion, james bond does his best work in a suit. Although im more of a shorts and t shirt kind of guy. I dont think theres anything wrong about sticking up for my generation when a thread blames them as this one did in the first post.

 

[Dead Duck]

The country was stabbed in the back by "THE GREATEST". Who implemented FDRs communist BS and then the 1965 Immigration Act to seal the deal.

This country will not be fixed without bloodshed. I don't want it, I don't look forward to it but the USA has had the biggest invasion of various types of humans in the history of mankind.

This is not going to end well.

So what did Muhammad Ali do again?

 

[jamil]

So what did Muhammad Ali do again?

Yeah. Was wondering who did Ali stab? Why didn't the police arrest him? Was it self defense? I’d think not if it was in the back. Why didn’t the media ever cover the story?

unless it was a cover.......up.

 

[Restroyer]

I have met a lot of good hard working Millennials. But for every good one I have met or worked with there are probably 2 that suck at life and are lazy momma's boys. However being that I am 47 years old and caught in the middle between the oldies and the young Millennials I have to say that I blame the older generation. The people in their late 50's to late 60's years old who sucked at parenting caused this buttercup mentality. That age group complains about the Millennials but that's their kids and kids friends. Generally speaking that late 50 year olds to late 60 year olds are to blame. I'm not sure if my kids generation will be any better (the Selfie Generation) but I hope so. My wife who works at a school will probably say the Selfie Generation will be even more soft since many of their parents are in their mid 30's and still need help raising their kids by Grandma & Grandpa (55-65 year olds). Grandma & Grandpa want a second chance to fail again as parents and whine when their live in grandkids have to do homework or get a detention. Just repeats itself over again.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The country was stabbed in the back by "THE GREATEST". Who implemented FDRs communist BS and then the 1965 Immigration Act to seal the deal.

This country will not be fixed without bloodshed. I don't want it, I don't look forward to it but the USA has had the biggest invasion of various types of humans in the history of mankind.

This is not going to end well.

"...Generation?"