Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[jsx1043]

At this point it seems fair to say there are good people marching on both sides ...

This line did not get anywhere near enough of the love it deserves... +4 Context

 

[Kutnupe14]

When can we stop calling them rioters and "protesters?"

This is clearly a terror cell operating in the US at this point:

3 vehicles, illegal fireworks, possible controlled substance, 9 arrested. I’m going to assume that all 9 had the fireworks and suspected controlled substances on their individual persons. If not then either that press release is written really poorly, or I’m confused as to the issue. Detaining then fine, I get that. Outright arrest? I’m gonna need more.

 

[Tombs]

this has been shut down???????

Yeah, the communists are canceling any crowd funding efforts for the poor kid.

 

[nra4ever]

Has this video been posted. The 17 year old was about to be executed.


https://twitter.com/firstcitizensam/status/1299087825854316549?s=21

 

[ghitch75]

Yeah, the communists are canceling any crowd funding efforts for the poor kid.

ok...i wonder where our money went?....

 

[Kutnupe14]

There was a lot more going on than we're aware of, but I don't think your hypothetical situation of a minor being the cause of the problems has much weight.

I imagine, like me, you’ve seen more than your fair share of stupid juveniles. I also think, like me, you’ve seen an equal amount of stupid ADULTS with firearms. Yes? It may be hypothetical, but it’s not a stretch of the imagination To dismiss out of hand.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[Kdf101]

I don’t know what precipitated the encounter, but it is not s stretch to believe that felons would use any excuse they had to try to attack and maybe kill an innocent person. Even if he had been in an earlier altercation with them, so what? He was clearly running from them, and they were clearly chasing him. I don’t think he is a hero, hell he may not even be a decent person, but to me it seems clear that they were chasing him, assaulting him, and he defended himself.

 

[Tombs]

I imagine, like me, you’ve seen more than your fair share of stupid juveniles. I also think, like me, you’ve seen an equal amount of stupid ADULTS with firearms. Yes? It may be hypothetical, but it’s not a stretch of the imagination To dismiss out of hand.

What are the odds of a 17 year old kid from out of state who's a certified EMT worker, treating injured rioters, decided to go looking for trouble?

Much less, that the only people he shot were life long hard felons.

Seems like the cosmos has a sense of humor to me.

 

[Lex Concord]

In libertarian circles it's called the non-aggression principle or NAP for short, as in "so and so violated the NAP when they threw a Molotov into my house."

Also sometimes referred to as Zero Aggression Principle or ZAP

 

[Kutnupe14]

Btw, the kid has been charged for being a minor in possession of a firearm. I thought it seemed clear, in code, that he shouldn’t have had a weapon.

 

[Hohn]

+1!

The kid is considered a fool because what he was “defending” wasn’t his to defend. Don’t get me wrong, the terrorists deserve all the hell they raise. But it needs to be raised by people who live there.

There’s a difference between unable to defend and unwilling. And morally I can not endanger my family or myself for people unwilling to put some skin of their own in the game.

I did my time in uniform. From here on out, I’m only endangering myself for those who love and depend on me or those who need help defending themselves. But doing all the bleeding while they watch from a distance?

Nope.

 

[larcat]

Yeah. He's going to get convicted of (relatively) minor fire arms charges. Open carry as a minor in WI and maybe unlawful transport of some sort (not sure but figure there's *some* statute.)

There's no way that he gets convicted of murder.

I'm guessing that the the defense shows a big picture of a damned AR and says something like "I'm going to argue, and prove, that this firearm saves my clients life that night."

Btw, the kid has been charged for being a minor in possession of a firearm. I thought it seemed clear, in code, that he shouldn’t have had a weapon.

 

[KittySlayer]

Hearing the kid will get some pretty good legal counsel.

Reports saying that the lawyer that was counsel for The Covington kid is forming a team looking for dismissal of all charges and willing to do it for free PUBLICITY

FIFY

Funny watching interviews of parents with attorney Ben Crum in background. Watch him dance from side to side behind the parents, making sure he was in the picture frame.

 

[dusty88]

I laughed at that more than I probably should have

 

[BugI02]

Yeah. He's going to get convicted of (relatively) minor fire arms charges. Open carry as a minor in WI and maybe unlawful transport of some sort (not sure but figure there's *some* statute.)

There's no way that he gets convicted of murder.

I'm guessing that the the defense shows a big picture of a damned AR and says something like "I'm going to argue, and prove, that this firearm saves my clients life that night."

A firearms count was all they could get Goetz on, and it took two tries to do that. Not much sympathy for dirtbags

 

[BigRed]

The Kenosha Kid.

 

[dusty88]

What are the odds of a 17 year old kid from out of state who's a certified EMT worker, treating injured rioters, decided to go looking for trouble?

It could be something as simple as :
Red shirt was trying to vandalize a vehicle
Kid challenged red shirt to stop
Red shirt started the chase

The difference there AIUI is if the kid started a confrontation over PROPERTY he might be culpable for the conflict and it's not self defense to protect property

I hope he's not guilty because he appears to have had good intentions and was misguided in going to this pumpkin protest (my term for what the protests are all turning into at dark)

I hope he lives to be released and thinks a little better of his choices

 

[Jaybird1980]

I agree that whatever started the altercation is unknown, but I'm not sure how relevant it should be.

The way it looks is that the attackers were trying to kill Rittenhouse. The only way they could be justified in doing so is to be in fear for their lives, and it didn't appear that they were to me.
Rittenhouse on the other hand did appear to be fearful. Hopefully all of the facts needed will come out in the investigation.

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe if mayors and governors were
DOING
THEIR
JOBS