Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

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  • 2A_Tom

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    Sure he has the right to defend himself. The past is the past. The question is what we can learn from this to inform decision making.

    What I have seen/learned is that when the politicians and police are counted on, they allow the "peaceful protesters" to loot and burn with impunity. When armed citizens stand between the "peaceful protesters" and businesses there is less violence.

    It is my opinion that the "peaceful protesters" saw what they thought was a weak link, an easy target or a possible chance to steal an AR 15, in the phalanx, and they were dead wrong.
     

    Tombs

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    He’s not cool. He a juvenile, that made a juvenile decision. If there’s any parent that would pat their minor child on the back for putting themselves in that situation, you gotta wonder about them. He won that battle, but he was lucky. Very lucky.

    He was an EMT providing aid to people injured in the "protests."

    The past week he was busy cleaning up graffiti that the "protesters" decorated the court house with.

    Sounds to me like he's just a driven young man who cares about the community and is willing to take a risk to help protect it.
    And he isn't going to ask for permission before he takes actions in the interest of the community, he's just going to do it.
     
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    BugI02

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    Stuff isn't worth defending with deadly force. People are. Was his aim to protect people or stuff?

    Given the really quite atrocious record of socialism/marxism, it seems to me that confronting Antifa and BLM would be entirely about protecting people - from the ruination of their lives and their country



     

    JTScribe

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    Wounded guy's buddy just screwed up his legal case, LOL.

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    actaeon277

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    Apparently the "traumatized" athletes found out they would lose money.


    [video=youtube;rRTztFCVRjE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRTztFCVRjE[/video]
     

    Dan

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    Crazy stuff, officers can’t even do their jobs anymore without fearing for their own lives or careers.
     

    BugI02

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    I'd say that he did help clean up graffiti...that this is the reason he went there to begin with...less clear. Regardless, my point is not that he is an evil person. I've no reason to think that. Rather, he went there armed, it seems, to protect property (a business is property..and it was empty and boarded up). We'll see how this plays out, but it looks like a LARP situation to me.

    Didn't work out that well for him...worse for others.

    Hands raised if you have grabbed your AR and headed to a town that is not your own to stand guard over store fronts...not people. Why not?

    Copied from Actaeon's sig line [A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan]



    We have a tendency to evaluate the shoot-don't shoot scenario and then decide that if we think the shoot is good...everything else that led to it should be defended. I am urging that we engage in a thought process to see whether the decisions along the way were sound because in the end, 2 people are dead, and third injured...and if you don't care about that, this young man's life is upended. Was it worth it for him to leave Antioch and insert himself?

    We get it, you wouldn't do it. Water under the bridge. The situation is, it isn't a hypothetical. If you disapprove of the somewhat celebratory attitude about some of these seditionists getting dead, say so
     

    d.kaufman

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    Hearing the kid will get some pretty good legal counsel.

    Reports saying that the lawyer that was counsel for The Covington kid is forming a team looking for dismissal of all charges and willing to do it for free
     

    Tombs

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    Hearing the kid will get some pretty good legal counsel.

    Reports saying that the lawyer that was counsel for The Covington kid is forming a team looking for dismissal of all charges and willing to do it for free

    Considering they picked first degree murder to change him with, it makes me wonder if that wasn't by design.

    Looks good to the lunatics on the street, but everyone with 2 braincells know that conviction is impossible to make stick, so he gets to walk.

    Also the memes are fantastic.
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    Also for anyone wondering where these people are at spiritually, watch the video. Language warning:
    [video=youtube;X38E3NSov6I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X38E3NSov6I[/video]
     
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    KG1

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    https://news4whites.blogspot.com/20...ZtShhAmNwebEw-iuX9STS_uFEPSIN_2jJCB8ZkYP3JH1s

    All 3 guys shot have rap sheets. The first guy who initiated the conflict had 12 1/2 in prison.
    He won't be initiating any more conflicts. Seems to me the young man's motives for traveling to Kenosha, whether ill-advised or not, were head and shoulders above any reason that the other agitators were there for.

    I don't believe for one minute there is any evidence yet to be presented that he had any intention to go there and kill anyone. If that were the case he had ample opportunity to kill many more. All the shots that were fired were in self preservation and were directly confined to those that were attacking him.
     

    Alpo

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    I think it serves as a warning. If, in the unfortunate circumstance, you come up against an antifa member, be advised that they aren't "misguided college kids". They are felons, some of whom have done hard time. They won't show restraint.
     

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