bam-bam orders flags to half mast

[Bill of Rights]

Bill,

Time to move to Mass and run for the empty seat!!!!!

They'd never elect me. I am an American.

The saddest part about this for me is that that is the place where the battles of Lexington and Concord happened, where our country was born. The musket carried by Captain John Parker, who stood with approximately 70 men on Lexington Green, facing 300 or so of the Crown's troops hangs in their State Senate chamber as a symbol of freedom.

It also has a trigger lock on it.

No. Massachusetts is not a place for me.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Caleb]

mine didn't budge a bit

 

[bigus_D]

Yes... 25 years was way off. I see he was originally elected in 1962.

I also see he served in the Army for two years.

The government also provides approval ratings for senators: Sen. Edward Kennedy [D-MA] - GovTrack.us ... Interesting that his shows 63% approval (above the average for all senators of 53%)... I'm just saying... There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, despite all of his failings, this individual did more for our country than any one of us ever has... probably more than any one of us ever will.

I am unsubscribing to this thread now because I find the self righteous tone somewhat offensive.

 

[USMC_0311]

I'm just saying... There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, despite all of his failings, this individual did more for our country than any one of us ever has... probably more than any one of us ever will.

Tread Lightly with that statement, I know a few dead Marines that would have a problem with it.


I am unsubscribing to this thread now because I find the self righteous tone somewhat offensive.

Don't break your promise.

 

[Jay]

this individual did more for our country than any one of us ever has... probably more than any one of us ever will.

That is a lie.

I am unsubscribing to this thread now because I find the self righteous tone somewhat offensive.

Self righteous? you bet yer donkey..... I've earned it. I'm pretty sure you haven't.

I wish I had a pillow to offer you so the door don't bruise yer butt on your way out.

Offensive? You don't have a clue. You're almost as offensive as your vaunted Senator. And you'll be back to look at this, covertly.....

 

[bigus_D]

Don't break your promise.

Please Note: I did unsubscribe... I just received neg rep for my quoted post and came in to see how disrespectful of the dead the provider of said rep had been in this thread...

USMC, I certainly agree that giving your life for the country is the ultimate sacrifice.

However, noone reading this thread has done that (unless my belief system is completely wacked... which is possible).

To those currently in the service, THANK YOU! I hope none of you have to make this sacrifice either!

 

[USMC_0311]

Please Note: I did unsubscribe... I just received neg rep for my quoted post and came in to see how disrespectful of the dead the provider of said rep had been in this thread...

USMC, I certainly agree that giving your life for the country is the ultimate sacrifice.

However, noone reading this thread has done that (unless my belief system is completely wacked... which is possible).

But you got to think about the ones that held thier dying buddies hand. Those moments are sacred to them and have just as much impact.

 

[DemolitionMan]

Wow. This has stirred a lot more emotion than I expected!

I certainly understand the feelings many here have expressed about Ted Kennedy. The man's career should have ended long ago with a prison sentence. I disagreed - vehemently - with just about every political position he ever took. Given the opportunity I would not have walked across the street to talk with him.

On the other hand I have served in the military and I'm currently a Scout leader so showing proper respect for the flag and displaying it properly is not only important to me, it is something that I teach to kids ranging from 5 years old to 18. I just can't imagine trying to tell those kids that they should follow the rules -- except when someone you really don't like is involved.

Personally I'm just not going to raise the flag at all until the half-mast order is over. It may be seen as weasling out of the issue but to me it's a good compromise, especially because one of the things I've taught scouts is that they should not display the flag unless they do it properly.

I also don't like speaking ill of the dead. Like him or hate him, a man's life has ended after months of suffering. My own father died this year from brain cancer and I would not wish what he suffered on anyone.

Just my .

 

[Bill of Rights]

Yes... 25 years was way off. I see he was originally elected in 1962.

I also see he served in the Army for two years.

The government also provides approval ratings for senators: Sen. Edward Kennedy [D-MA] - GovTrack.us ... Interesting that his shows 63% approval (above the average for all senators of 53%)... I'm just saying... There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, despite all of his failings, this individual did more for our country than any one of us ever has... probably more than any one of us ever will.

I am unsubscribing to this thread now because I find the self righteous tone somewhat offensive.

Prior to the mid-1960s, military service was compulsory. Teddy didn't have a choice in the matter.. plus there's that little detail of his father and his brothers' service... Tres gauche to fall short of the mark... so yes, he wore a uniform... In what capacity? Anyone want to try to imagine Teddy Kennedy in boot camp? OK, let me rephrase that... anyone want to try to imagine Teddy Kennedy in boot camp without laughing?
As for his 63% approval ratings... he gave that which was not his to others to whom it also did not belong. Of course he's going to get approval... from those who got that to which they were not entitled.

Forty-plus years of sucking at the public *breast* does not equate to "doing for our country". Let us also not forget that the Robin Hood story does involve stealing from the rich to give to the poor... but conveniently left out of that description is that the rich of the day were those who used (governmental) force to steal what they had from the poor in the first place. Teddy would have been one of those Robin Hood would have taken back from, not Robin himself.

As for self-righteousness... quite simply, we can be kind or we can be right. This is a "politically-correct"-free zone.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[haldir]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, despite all of his failings, this individual did more for our country than any one of us ever has... probably more than any one of us ever will.

That line almost leaves me speechless. How about my Dad that fought in the South Pacific (wounded and service related disability, purple heart and bronze star), Uncle Frank that spent over a year the guest of the Nazis, my Uncle Herbert that fought in Korea (won silver star and purple heart ). You really think Senator Kennedy's service to this country is way beyond any of that. Very interesting that you would feel that way. Being a politician is the greatest calling according to you then. Certainly not in my opinion.

 

[rambone]

As for his 63% approval ratings... he gave that which was not his to others to whom it also did not belong. Of course he's going to get approval... from those who got that to which they were not entitled.

Couldn't have said it better.

Forty-plus years of sucking at the public *breast* does not equate to "doing for our country". Let us also not forget that the Robin Hood story does involve stealing from the rich to give to the poor... but conveniently left out of that description is that the rich of the day were those who used (governmental) force to steal what they had from the poor in the first place. Teddy would have been one of those Robin Hood would have taken back from, not Robin himself.

Hahah... Ted sucking the "public breast."

What is Barney Frank sucking on?

 

[CarmelHP]

What other corrupt monster should we praise simply because they went the way of all flesh. In regard to the insolent swipe taken at our veteran members, I am willing to bet some here still carry pieces of foreign ordnance in their bodies from their sacrifices during a time when Uncle Ted was on the front lines guarding SHAPE-HQ in Paris, secured by Pappy Joe, and climbing the Matterhorn in the dangerous environs of Switzerland. Phony respect for phony sacrifice, while showing contempt for real sacrifice, outrageous. Teddy will be praised enough in the crocodile tears of his fellow crooks, cheats and dandied co-conspirators. Here is a place for truth to be told.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Couldn't have said it better.



Hahah... Ted sucking the "public breast."

What is Barney Frank sucking on?

Although on reflection.. Ted always seemed to be "bottle fed".

 

[Jay]

showing proper respect for the flag and displaying it properly is not only important to me, it is something that I teach to kids ranging from 5 years old to 18. I just can't imagine trying to tell those kids that they should follow the rules -- except when someone you really don't like is involved.

Wait a Minute....

Listen UP...

Failing to lower my Flag for the death of any person.....

DOES
NOT
DISRESPECT
THE FLAG

That Flag does not give a $h it
WHO DIED. I CHOOSE TO DISRESPECT ted kennedy.

This is really NOT a difficult concept.... grasp it !!

 

[DemolitionMan]

Is "shouting" really necessary? Honestly I think this thread is getting more than a little overheated.

Please take a moment to re-read my post. I never suggested that you should lower the flag to half mast. I did say that if you are going to display the flag you should do so appropriately. There are certain rules for displaying the flag, and one of those is that you fly it at half mast when there is a presidential order to that effect.

If you believe your feelings for Kennedy are such that you cannot bring yourself to fly the flag at half mast (and believe me I understand that), then I think it is more appropriate to not display the flag than to display it at full mast.

I'm sure you don't agree, but that is my opinion. I won't impugn your intelligence for disagreeing with me and I'd certainly appreciate the same in return.

 

[Jay]

The Flag Code serves as a guide to be followed on a purely voluntary basis to insure proper respect for the flag. The Supreme Court has ruled that politically motivated violations of the Flag Code are protected by the First Amendment.


"Respect for the flag....NOT the dead.

Obviously, shouting is the only way to reach some people. I didn't berate you for "weaseling out" as YOU put it, so leave me to my own display. You can do that, right.....?

If Fenway or another mod asks, I'll change everything to lower case....... if they don't, tough it out.

I teach to kids

I'm not one of 'em.....

 

[USMC_0311]

Is "shouting" really necessary? Honestly I think this thread is getting more than a little overheated.

Very necessary it seams. Overheated? Whats the old saying if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You guys really should think things over before you take Gunnny to task.

 

[henktermaat]

...
I didn't respect the man but I do respect the position.

 

[Jay]

Oh my goodness.... shouting is so vulgar..... we shouldn't have to put up with this. What ARE we going to do? Surely someone will come assist the three of us who are really attempting to be politically correct and appease the socialists who fully intend to destroy that silly old Constitution, not to mention the Bill of Rights. Someone help us...... someone ?

My dyin' a$$


0311, bud, we need some serious range time

 

[henktermaat]

Oh my goodness.... shouting is so vulgar..... we shouldn't have to put up with this. What ARE we going to do? Surely someone will come assist the three of us who are really attempting to be politically correct and appease the socialists who fully intend to destroy that silly old Constitution, not to mention the Bill of Rights. Someone help us...... someone ?

My dyin' a$$


0311, bud, we need some serious range time

Perhaps BO can make it illegal to shout to protect the more sensitive members of our new socialist union.