Active shooter situation at school in Parkland, FL; reports of victims

[Sylvain]

A school lockdown is designed to keep people from coming in and usually involves keeping students in classrooms for a specified time.

It does not mean locking exit doors from the inside preventing students from getting out. That would be a safety hazard. Think what would happen if there were a fire and hundreds or even thousands of students had no way to exit the building.

That's why exit doors meant for egress come equipt with these.

This Von Duprin model is made right here in Indianapolis.

I've seen some articles showing devices to lock or jam a door that schools could use.

They are designed to keep people out but they never mention that they also keep people in in case of a fire or a shooting.

Some were designed by teachers or school students.

I also wonder how those locks could affect a police response.

They will be slowed down just like a potential killer if each door is hardened and locked from the inside.

Do they just unlock the doors when someone outside claims to be the police?

 

[T.Lex]

Ok.

Some of you may have noticed that I link the BBC quite a bit. As an organization, my opinion is that they really try to report accurately on issues, with a minimum of opinion-style reporting. Or at least, it is usually noted as such.

But, even they sometimes stumble.

I won't link to the article but...

Their school was the scene of a deadly rampage last week, when an ex-student confessed to opening fire with an AR-17 assault rifle which he had purchased legally despite several mental health warnings.

It boggles my mind how they could come up with "AR-17." I could understand a variant of AR-15/-16/-47 (yes, see that every once in awhile). But AR-17 is just completely wrong.

 

[Sylvain]

Ok.

Some of you may have noticed that I link the BBC quite a bit. As an organization, my opinion is that they really try to report accurately on issues, with a minimum of opinion-style reporting. Or at least, it is usually noted as such.

But, even they sometimes stumble.

I won't link to the article but...



It boggles my mind how they could come up with "AR-17." I could understand a variant of AR-15/-16/-47 (yes, see that every once in awhile). But AR-17 is just completely wrong.

17 is the number of dead, that could be why they got it mixed up.

They constantly rewrite and update the same article so they often make mistakes.Including grammar mistakes and factual errors.

 

[Dead Duck]

Ok.

Some of you may have noticed that I link the BBC quite a bit. As an organization, my opinion is that they really try to report accurately on issues, with a minimum of opinion-style reporting. Or at least, it is usually noted as such.

But, even they sometimes stumble.

I won't link to the article but...



It boggles my mind how they could come up with "AR-17." I could understand a variant of AR-15/-16/-47 (yes, see that every once in awhile). But AR-17 is just completely wrong.

Great!

Now I need to go buy one.

 

[T.Lex]

Little did I know, it is really a thing.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/gun-week-armalite-ar-17-shotgun

12 gauge. Made in the 1960s.

So yeah, now I want one, too.

 

[cbhausen]

Ok.

Some of you may have noticed that I link the BBC quite a bit. As an organization, my opinion is that they really try to report accurately on issues, with a minimum of opinion-style reporting. Or at least, it is usually noted as such.

But, even they sometimes stumble.

I won't link to the article but...



It boggles my mind how they could come up with "AR-17." I could understand a variant of AR-15/-16/-47 (yes, see that every once in awhile). But AR-17 is just completely wrong.

Illegitimate offspring of AR-15 and AK-47.

 

[churchmouse]

Illegitimate offspring of AR-15 and AK-47.

Litter pick.

 

[Expat]

Now I want an AR-17

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Copy cats down in Mitchell and Orleans.

These people need to be sorry they ever pulled this crap.

https://www.tmnews.com/shared/free-...gn=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

[MCgrease08]

I've seen some articles showing devices to lock or jam a door that schools could use.

They are designed to keep people out but they never mention that they also keep people in in case of a fire or a shooting.

Some were designed by teachers or school students.

I also wonder how those locks could affect a police response.

They will be slowed down just like a potential killer if each door is hardened and locked from the inside.

Do they just unlock the doors when someone outside claims to be the police?

Full disclose, I used to work for a door lock and hardware manufacturer. It was the parent company of Von Duprin which makes the exit device I posted above.

The types of products you highlighted above have the potential to do more harm than good, since they still require someone (usually a teacher) to approach the door to deploy it.

The second product in your post has another drawback in that a student could potentially get access and lock their fellow students inside of the classroom. Talk about creating a free fire zone.

The best solution to lock down an individual classroom is with an electronic lock that can be engaged with a key fob a teacher wears around their neck or their wrist.

This eliminates the need to approach the door or go out into the hallway. There is also less of a chance a student can get their hands on it without the teacher knowing.

https://us.allegion.com/en/home/products/categories/electronic-locks/schlage-co-220.html

 

[Thor]

Just in....prices on AR-17s spike!

 

[Thor]

The best solution to lock down an individual classroom is with an electronic lock that can be engaged with a key fob a teacher wears around their neck or their wrist.l

I'm staying with the best solution is to let the teachers go armed...maybe the students too.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

I asked because you really can't lock kids "in" a school. You can lock people out, but not in.

If they're under 18 they shouldn't be able to leave without parental permission, and someone over 18 to sign them out.

 

[chocktaw2]

Now I want an AR-17

AR 17's, Worth Restoring? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums

Rock on Grandpa!

 

[actaeon277]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Thomas has a point.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/2738...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

 

[Sylvain]

Who is paying for these buses?

Who is paying for these buses?

They will have plenty of money to rent busses next month to take kids to Washington DC.

Mr Clooney said in the statement: "Our family will be there on March 24 to stand side by side with this incredible generation of young people from all over the country, and in the name of our children Ella and Alexander, we're donating 500,000 dollars to help pay for this groundbreaking event."
Oprah Winfrey has announced that she will match the Clooneys' donation.

George and Amal Clooney pledge $500,000 to gun reform rally - BBC News

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

At least someone at the governor's mansion in Ohio has some balls.

Lt. Governor Attacks Governor on Gun Control Stance | ColumbusUnderground.com

 

[d.kaufman]

They will have plenty of money to rent busses next month to take kids to Washington DC.



George and Amal Clooney pledge $500,000 to gun reform rally - BBC News

Clooney is a big pos. Surrounded by bodyguards and wants gun control. F you hollywood!

 

[ghitch75]

Clooney is a big pos. Surrounded by bodyguards and wants gun control. F you hollywood!

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