Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[indiucky]

You have a lot more dots to connect than that to get there. What’s the political target? Country music fans? Maybe the guy was just ****ing nuts. At least with that, there aren’t very many dots I have to assume connections for.

Here's a dot connector doing his best...I saw this on Fox the other day.....Not saying I agree but I am opened minded enough to say the guy seems like he knows a bit about such things....I have listened to his Ted Talks and he seems like he's legitimate....


[video=youtube;55p8VDnkl5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55p8VDnkl5M[/video]


[video=youtube;EBnwij4Cl9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnwij4Cl9I[/video]


[video=youtube;j0d45T3Dk0A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0d45T3Dk0A[/video]


[video=youtube;Ry7oaU0x5Bo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry7oaU0x5Bo[/video]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

To quote a fellow 'er...



If the madman had plowed one of his two planes into the crowd, would they want to ban airplanes?

Using their logic, we should ban mufflers and quiet electronic engines when a person plows a truck into a crowd.

I agree with the sentiment, I don't want anything banned... I just haven't yet seen a good argument that we can make against action.

 

[HoughMade]

Using their logic, we should ban mufflers and quiet electronic engines when a person plows a truck into a crowd.

I agree with the sentiment, I don't want anything banned... I just haven't yet seen a good argument that we can make against action.

Arguing about things that didn't happen isn't an argument. BTW, a GA airplane like he owned? Doubtful he could have killed 59 and injured 500+. Possible, but doubtful.

Move on. If these are the best arguments...

 

[Woobie]

My distraction into the database sidebar notwithstanding, this is no time to talk policy. America has an awful habit of legislating reflexively. Public policy should always be cold-blooded. Some aspects of foreign policy will be inherently hot-blooded in nature, but as much as possible, it is important to slow down and consider before making big decisions about our liberty, treasure and welfare. The Senate was originally organized the way it was for this very purpose.

Now is the time for mourning and reaching out a helping hand.

 

[Vigilant]

Arguing about things that didn't happen isn't an argument. BTW, a GA airplane like he owned? Doubtful he could have killed 59 and injured 500+. Possible, but doubtful.

Move on. If these are the best arguments...

I don't know, a full load of fuel, 100+ mph approach into a mass of 22K? I mean a truck barreling down a crowded street killed a bunch?

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Using their logic, we should ban mufflers and quiet electronic engines when a person plows a truck into a crowd.

I agree with the sentiment, I don't want anything banned... I just haven't yet seen a good argument that we can make against action.

Government shouldn’t regulate guns, but they should regulate how quickly those guns shoot? That doesn’t seem like a logical argument. A normal AR with a super light/short trigger can be fired very rapidly. What’s next? It’s illegal to fire more than one round per second?

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

In case you want to see the guy’s brains on the hotel floor, you have to click down lower in the article in order to reveal it. Without clicking you get to see just the pics of the guns.

NSFW and a nasty pic.

 

[indiucky]

Arguing about things that didn't happen isn't an argument. BTW, a GA airplane like he owned? Doubtful he could have killed 59 and injured 500+. Possible, but doubtful.

Move on. If these are the best arguments...

I figured only if he had used the fertilizer he had to make the plane into a bomb and crash it in the middle of the crowd.....But I think your right on the number without the fertilizer bomb/plane scenario.....

 

[Woobie]

Arguing about things that didn't happen isn't an argument. BTW, a GA airplane like he owned? Doubtful he could have killed 59 and injured 500+. Possible, but doubtful.

Move on. If these are the best arguments...

I don't know. I've been thinking about this. I'm thinking 500 injuries probably isn't doable. But 60 deaths might be. People were packed in like sardines and distracted. Many were varying levels of impaired. In a suicide dive you might get 200 mph, and that's a lot of inertia. If you reduced your angle of attack, that inertia might carry things a good long way into the crowd. Ugh, I don't want to think about it anymore.

I'm so pessimistic about our world right now, I fear we might find out how this could play out. God help us

 

[chezuki]

In case you want to see the guy’s brains on the hotel floor, you have to click down lower in the article in order to reveal it. Without clicking you get to see just the pics of the guns.

NSFW and a nasty pic.

Saw that last night... why does he have blood on his shirt and why is there blood on the cylinder of the revolver?

 

[jamil]

Pictured: Jamil charging to his hill with all his allies behind him. (2017, colorized)

I'll be down here cheering you on, but from a distance.

Saying no isn't charging a hill. "Not one inch" doesn't mean we only defend the freedoms for which there is an easily articulated justification. It doesn't mean we concede those freedoms just because we can't articulate a reason we "need" them. Liberty isn't linked to only things we "need". Pursuit of happiness is need enough.

Not one inch means we don't cave in to incrementalism. If these devices are banned, the only purpose is for the sake of claiming some victory. It won't make America safer from people like whats-his-name.

We're in the wait-and-see period right now. Maybe another distraction will come along and nothing will happen... emotions will fade away and no longer be behind the push for bans.

We don't have a ton of leverage to argue though (on this one). We're bent over the barrel, waiting to see how bad they want to try and make it. They usually overplay their hand, though... which works out for us.

Edit: I'm sure there's a joke somewhere about being bent over a barrel, and jamil talking about varying inch-lengths.

Keep saying no.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Saw that last night... why does he have blood on his shirt and why is there blood on the cylinder of the revolver?

That's where the other guy, the real shooter, shot him.

At least, that's what people are confidently saying about it.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

If these devices are banned, the only purpose is for the sake of claiming some victory. It won't make America safer from people like whats-his-name.

Yep. That's all society is anymore, though... varying trade-offs for people to score points against their ideological enemies. We don't like it, but we can be realistic and see when it's about to happen, and if it's worth fighting.

We do well when we fight for 2A as a whole. We've got statistics and arguments that are backed by truth. Enough so that people in power will continue to back them.

It's this small **** like bumpfire stocks that I don't see more than one or two politicians standing behind. If it becomes the argument, we will absolutely lose it. And yes, it won't make a bit of difference with regards to future risks/tragedies.

 

[BluePig]

Wondering when the lawsuit against Mandalay Bay will be filed...
You thought travelling with the TSA was bad, wait till the lawyers are thru with the hotels.
Wondering what it will be like when they start going thru your stuff when you check in and then deny you a room because of something they found in your luggage.
That will be fun...

 

[gglass]

Actually, I think you are right.

The operative question is "so what"? Rights have risks that run along side.

Jefferson knew this...

"I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude." - excerpt

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Oh, and for those keeping count, the "two social security numbers" and "married to two men" conspiracy has fallen apart regarding the girlfriend.

Or, at least, family members came forward and refuted it. News orgs are now retracting the rumor.

 

[bwframe]

What I see happening (if anything at all), is either ATF reclassifies bump-fire stocks as NFA, or congress tries to amend the law (and THAT would get ugly...) to make them NFA. I don't see an actual "ban" happening.

I think we should not really worry about what happens with bump-fire at this time. We should focus effort on SHARE/HPA. Getting suppressors removed from NFA would be an effective way to chip away at the end game.

We've had enough of that or any govt agency making rules as they go.

Maybe we should draft a bill to TRADE putting bumpfire stocks on the NFA to get suppressors off of it?

Ultimately the NFA needs to go, but that's for another time.

 

[HoughMade]

Wondering when the lawsuit against Mandalay Bay will be filed...

You forgot the "S". Answer- within a week.

....and the organizers of the concert, Jason Aldean, whoever owns the land the concert was on, the security company at the concert and the hotel (if it is a contractor), Surefire, Slide Fire, whoever made the rifles, some of the first responders, the hospitals, doctors, etc., etc., etc....

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Judging by the author, I'm going to assume she suggests eating all the guns.

 

[Denny347]

In case you want to see the guy’s brains on the hotel floor, you have to click down lower in the article in order to reveal it. Without clicking you get to see just the pics of the guns.

NSFW and a nasty pic.

Looks pretty clean for a head shot. Seen lots of them and many that are a lot worse than this.