Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[Sylvain]

It would have been the first thing that any honest report would have used for confirmation.

A third broken window would have been very noticable.That would be all over the news by now.

 

[Thor]

It sounded like incoming fire to me...but many people don't know what that sounds like.

 

[JAL]

Good point.
I think they would have noticed a third broken window.

Not only would all the mainstream press and media have noted it from the outset, the idea that you can shoot out a window like those on the 32nd floor is yet more Hollywood Physics. Having seen commercial building large tempered glass windows that have been shot by multiple rounds from drive-by shooters, unless you unleash a large volley, bullets make bullet holes. It requires many rounds to reliably take out a window like those on the hotel. That's why the shooter used a 4 lb (common size guess) short handle sledge hammer.

Commentary:
Conspiracy theories and armchair sleuth wild deductions from thin and flimsy (at best) evidence are ubiquitous on social media and it's the #FakeNews world we live in now. There are millions of postings by folks who claim to know from "confidential sources" or conclusive deductions from a cell phone video that "solve the crime." [purple]I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever, it was the Professor Plum with the pistol in the lounge. I know this because I've been given a secret peek into the opaque black sleeve with the cards found at the crime scene. I've already texted this to Alex Jones but he's buried the facts as they're NIH*.[/purple]

John
*NIH: Not Invented Here

 

[JAL]

It sounded like incoming fire to me...but many people don't know what that sounds like.

I know all too well what incoming sounds like. Also know all too well what "outgoing" sounds like. I daresay many here do as well. The major problem with video recordings is inability to capture the dynamic and frequency range, plus the concussion, from either. Also lost are the true stereo directional perception humans have even though human ears aren't nearly as good as those of healthy cats or dogs (or other animals). Cell phones are particularly poor recording devices. Then it's uploaded to YouTube or Facebook that further degrades video and audio resolution and fidelity. Trying to draw any but the broadest possible conclusions from these recordings posted on social media is a SWAG, at best.

John

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I know all too well what incoming sounds like. Also know all too well what "outgoing" sounds like. I daresay many here do as well. The major problem with video recordings is inability to capture the dynamic and frequency range, plus the concussion, from either. Also lost are the true stereo directional perception humans have even though human ears aren't nearly as good as those of healthy cats or dogs (or other animals). Cell phones are particularly poor recording devices. Then it's uploaded to YouTube or Facebook that further degrades video and audio resolution and fidelity. Trying to draw any but the broadest possible conclusions from these recordings posted on social media is a SWAG, at best. John

That's why I was wondering if the shape of the building would channel sounds into a "cone" or bounce them around .

 

[actaeon277]

Good point.
I think they would have noticed a third broken window.

The magic ninjas repaired it.

 

[Bhart89]

Anyone hear an official motive announced yet?

 

[JAL]

That's why I was wondering if the shape of the building would channel sounds into a "cone" or bounce them around .

There are other high-rises around this one with just as much glass surface. The muzzle reports will bounce directly from those surfaces as well. Glass is particularly reflective because of its surface flatness without texture combined with its hardness is acoustically highly reflective. The result is chaotic sounding. Large panels can act somewhat like passive transducers as they will flex and retransmit the sound in addition to reflecting it. An environment with buildings that have much less glass and more stone or masonry with angled surfaces and rough textures tend to scatter sound much more than these nearly all glass structures (glass panel and girder).

John

 

[JAL]

Anyone hear an official motive announced yet?

Fox News continues to express dismay and some consternation that nothing has emerged yet that might lead to a motive. That said, they're continuing to pore through his electronics and their contents. At this point I wouldn't expect too much to be divulged in dribbles. From an intelligence perspective you want to piece the puzzle together before deciding what the picture is. Otherwise you get the blind men examining the elephant and describing it as the part they can feel with none of them seeing the entire elephant.

John

 

[Dirtebiker]

This is where Im at. If giving the anti's bumpstock restriction means we won't have to give them mag limits, supressors or semi auto rifles then fine.

Yeah, because they'll stop with one win, right!?

 

[Denny347]

Fox News continues to express dismay and some consternation that nothing has emerged yet that might lead to a motive. That said, they're continuing to pore through his electronics and their contents. At this point I wouldn't expect too much to be divulged in dribbles. From an intelligence perspective you want to piece the puzzle together before deciding what the picture is. Otherwise you get the blind men examining the elephant and describing it as the part they can feel with none of them seeing the entire elephant.

John

Fox was also trying to blame atheism for the shooting. Talk about pulling something out your a**...
Fox News suggests atheism is to blame for Las Vegas shooting | The Independent

Pathetic

 

[jbombelli]

Yeah, because they'll stop with one win, right!?

Sure. All the anti-gunner organizations will dismantle, and their members will all say "mission accomplished, we can all go home now." They won't come back for more later.

 

[tbhausen]

I saw continuing flashing during breaks in sound.

Quick! Someone tell Hillary he did have a suppressor!

 

[HubertGummer]

Yeah, because they'll stop with one win, right!?

I was more thinking we could use bumpstocks as leverage. I know they will never be content.

 

[JAL]

Fox was also trying to blame atheism for the shooting. Talk about pulling something out your a**...
Fox News suggests atheism is to blame for Las Vegas shooting | The Independent

Pathetic

They're not exempt from airhead chatter, particularly when they have the coffee klatch segments during which they have to blather on with whatever nonsense pops into their heads to prevent dead air time. My hearing automatically mutes during those segments. These segments are no better than the other cable news channels.

John

 

[Ericpwp]

The only insight there has been was the words of someone claiming to be a hooker. If it's substantiated, this could just be an act of an evil, Godless man.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I saw continuing flashing during breaks in sound.

woah, was he using asonic rounds?!

 

[JAL]

Shooter's brother is in Las Vegas and law enforcement have gone back into his nearest home (Mesquite?) to do additional search. I continue to believe FBI and local sheriff are still holding back considerable information to get as complete a picture as possible (cue blind men with elephant picture again). Letting it out in drips and drabs would hurt their investigation and precipitate conspiracy theories and unfounded rumor, as if there aren't enough of those already (cue Alex Jones' YouTube channel; deliberately not putting link to it).

John

 

[Ruffnek]

From what I caught listening to Tony Katz this morning, I'd say we're dealing with someone who was just crazy.

 

[Ruffnek]

Steve Scalise pushes back on gun regulations

At least there is a sliver of good news. I wish I could vote for him.