A Farewell to Arms (Why I jumped off the Glock bandwagon)

[THE BIG SITT]

I've always thought Glocks were uncomfortable in my hand and the M&P just feels right. Need to shoot one soon.

 

[GBuck]

Maybe, but that really doesn't look like the loads fault at all.

Well I asked him because I'd assume he has an owners manual or has done the research and can give more than a "maybe". Also, it is relevant of they ask. If you were using them and they know it they could automatically back out. It's easy. The previous round wasn't loaded enough to cycle the gun properly and left it out of battery.

 

[rhino]

That's entirely too simple. In the world of dynamic tacticality we have to name everything.

I'm still working on my strategery!

How about: Peggy Sue, Mabel, Lucretia, and Momma Ain't Happy?

 

[esrice]

Are M&Ps one of the weapons using reloads in will void the warranty?

I have no idea. I've never had to make a warranty claim (for this gun or any others) so I guess I'll find out when I send it in.

The previous round wasn't loaded enough to cycle the gun properly and left it out of battery.

With the little that I have learned about "firing out of battery", that isn't how it works. At fault would be the fact that the gun shouldn't have been able to fire while still out of battery, regardless of the reason it wasn't in battery.

 

[chezuki]

I have no idea. I've never had to make a warranty claim (for this gun or any others) so I guess I'll find out when I send it in.

I wouldn't mention the reloads. Sounds like it fired out of battery which wouldn't have anything to do with reloads anyway.

From my M&P manual:

 

[esrice]

Yeah that looks pretty standard.

 

[DGansert]

I need that much on my hands! Really, over the top. Good job on the review.

 

[GBuck]

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

I have no idea. I've never had to make a warranty claim (for this gun or any others) so I guess I'll find out when I send it in.

If they ask specifically - I'd be honest with them.

But, like you said, IF this was an OOB failure, it wouldn't matter what kind of round it was. But, unfortunately, to the manufacturer, it will matter.

"Well, you see, sir, you've admittedly shot several hundred rounds of reloads through this pistol and there's no telling what kind of internal damage / wear & tear you've done on it. Therefore, your warranty claim is being denied. We will, however, "cut you a deal" on a new frame..."

 

[esrice]

Got another email today containing instructions for returning my M&P and a pre-paid pre-insured shipping label. So I'll be boxing everything up sometime later.

If they ask specifically - I'd be honest with them.

Oh absolutely. No need to lie. It is what it is and I'm fine with whatever they can do.

 

[esrice]

UPDATE

So some considerable time has passed since I sent my gun to S&W and I hadn't heard anything from them, so I emailed them today asking for an update. Here's what they said:

Dear Customer,
This presently in our Metallurgical Lab researching the cause and issue with gun.
If further assistance is required please reply accordingly.
Sincerely,
Michael DiFiore

Sounds science-y.

So I wait.

 

[SmithGuy]

I have put many rounds through a Glock .40, and a similarly sized S&W M&P .40, and I also came to the conclusion that the M&P pistol is far superior to the Glock. The recoil is less on the M&P, when shooting similarly sized pistols using the same ammo. The M&P was also more accurate, and felt much more natural in the hand.

 

[Amishman44]

To each their own! I still prefer the Glock Compact-sized pistols...whereas my wife recently selected a Springfield XDm 9mm Compact (after she was convinced she wanted to get a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm Compact)! The more I play with her XDm...the more impressed I am becoming with it! Hmmmmm...they make that in .45, right? (A: Yes...and now I want the XDs in .45acp!)

 

[Amishman44]

I have put many rounds through a Glock .40, and a similarly sized S&W M&P .40, and I also came to the conclusion that the M&P pistol is far superior to the Glock. The recoil is less on the M&P, when shooting similarly sized pistols using the same ammo. The M&P was also more accurate, and felt much more natural in the hand.

Rule #1 on something 'brand new'...sooner or later, someone will come along and improve on the original concept / design!

 

[Fordtough25]

UPDATE

So some considerable time has passed since I sent my gun to S&W and I hadn't heard anything from them, so I emailed them today asking for an update. Here's what they said:



Sounds science-y.

So I wait.

Sounds like your M&P is a test mule! Maybe since they are spending considerable time on it you will get a free replacement. You don't hear about many M&P's breaking badly, although I think I remmeber Hickok45's first M&P he used ending up witha cracked slide. They replaced it and he didn't have any more problems IIRC. My wifes M&P 9 is sill running strong, great pistol! Good luck.

 

[cedartop]

UPDATE

So some considerable time has passed since I sent my gun to S&W and I hadn't heard anything from them, so I emailed them today asking for an update. Here's what they said:



Sounds science-y.

So I wait.

I like S&W, but shouldn't they be doing that on their time?

 

[WestSider]

Your problem is you are buying .40's, Jamaes Yeager says only use 9mm or .45

 

[esrice]

I like S&W, but shouldn't they be doing that on their time?

Whatchu mean?

Your problem is you are buying .40's, Jamaes Yeager says only use 9mm or .45

Who, me? Mine was an M&P9.

 

[cedartop]

Whatchu mean?



..

You are currently without your gun? Or did I miss where they sent you a replacement?

 

[Hohn]

I have no idea. I've never had to make a warranty claim (for this gun or any others) so I guess I'll find out when I send it in.



With the little that I have learned about "firing out of battery", that isn't how it works. At fault would be the fact that the gun shouldn't have been able to fire while still out of battery, regardless of the reason it wasn't in battery.

If I think about what might cause a FOOB, recoil spring is a potential nominee. If you bought it used and the factory spring is fatigued, it may not have enough "oomph" to reliably "close the breech" so to speak. You get a weak-ish round with a weak spring and maybe the slide closing velocity is too low?

If the spring is fine, the maybe a mechanical impediment on the rails is keeping the slide from easily going all the way forward.

Was there any sign of barrel obstruction? Leading? I'm assuming from your report that the round actual went downrange as part of this kb.


Yeah, it's just spitballing, but I'd really like to learn about how this kind of thing comes about.

Failure is a far greater learning opportunity than success is.