2022 Legislative Session Thread

[JEBland]

@KellyinAvon @JEBland and Guy Relford and everyone else who attended the committee meetings and wrote and called and petered their elected servants.

I want to state again and in public, THANK YOU to each of you and all of INGO and the residents of this State for working toward Constitutional Carry.

If this becomes law it will be one less infringement, one less piece of government overreach, one more piece of liberty and freedom clawed back from those who have power but have not earned it and do not deserve it.

I'm glad we have people like Kelly and @Bill of Rights on here pushing this. I don't think I would've testified at that meeting or been nearly as on top of it if it weren't for them. I'm also very glad that we have an advocate like Guy.

Here's to a step towards freedom for us all.

 

[El Conquistador]

1 being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun. A person who
2 meets the following requirements may carry a handgun in the
3 manner described in subsection (b):
4 (1) The person is not prohibited from possessing or carrying
5 a handgun under federal law as in effect on January 1, 2022.
6 (2) Notwithstanding section 1.5 of this chapter, the person is
7 not otherwise prohibited under state law from possessing or
8 carrying a handgun.
9 (3) The person does not meet the requirements under
10 IC 35-47-2-3 to receive a license to carry a handgun in
11 Indiana.

From the bill

 

[Jaybird1980]

@jwamplerusa ya might wanna proofread that first paragraph of #1,454!

Hey now, you don't know how far they're willing to go.

 

[jwamplerusa]

@jwamplerusa ya might wanna proofread that first paragraph of #1,454!

fixed, took a minute...

 

[Random_71]

So what would be the time-line for this to become law if Holcomb were to sign? Immediately? July 1st? January 1st, 2023?

First page of original bill said July 1st.
As does the original version of HB1269.

 

[tbhausen]

Can unlicensed residents of other Constitutional Carry states carry here without our state license?

Can unlicensed residents of Indiana carry in other constitutional carry states (with the exception of North Dakota) without their state licenses?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Here's a draft to aim at the Governor's Mansion.

Governor Holcomb,

Sign HB 1296 into law!!

HB 1296 codifies the lawful carry of handguns, and comes at a time when the essential right of self-defense has never been more important. This bill affects the law-abiding citizens of Indiana, not the violent criminals who are overwhelmingly prohibited possessors of firearms, and don’t obey the law.

At the beginning of the year there were 21 States with permit-less/no license carry of handguns. Our neighbor Ohio has a bill on the way to the Governor’s desk now. Those who opposed such legislation predicted dire consequences, as they do for any bill remotely considered Pro-2nd Amendment and Pro-Article 1, Section 32 of the Indiana Constitution. Observation shows this is not the case, as does data from FBI Uniform Crime Reporting.

The law-abiding don’t commit crimes. Criminals commit crimes and are undeterred by licensing schemes. HB 1296 does not change the definition of “proper person” that currently exists, nor does it make it lawful to possess a firearm when an individual is currently a prohibited possessor.

Over the past decade or so Indiana has passed a number of Pro-2nd Amendment and Pro-Article 1, Section 32 bills into law. These include: the law forbidding the prohibition of firearms stored in vehicles in employer’s parking lots (2010), the firearms law preemption statute (2011), allowing firearms to be stored in vehicles on school property (2014), allowing an individual with an order of protection against an abuser carry a handgun without a license (2017), the strengthening of the language and due process protections under the “Laird Law” (2019), and “Civil Immunity” and “Church Carry” (2019). Again, the dire consequences predicted by those who oppose any law that supports the Right to Keep and Bear Arms simply did not happen, and will not happen with the passage of HB 1296.

Of the 21 States currently with Constitutional Carry of handguns, 20 previously had handgun licensing requirements. Zero States have reinstated the licensing requirement.

In 2019 you signed House Bill 1284 into law while on stage at the National Rifle Association Annual Meeting of Members. This bill codified civil immunity for lawful self-defense, allowed carry of firearms at a worship service, and eliminated the State fees for the 5-year license to carry a handgun. On stage you stated, “Removing any and all barriers for lawful carry in our state is significant for the many Hoosier gun owners who want to protect themselves and others.” The NRA will be back in 2023.

Thank you,

Name
Address
Phone number Email

 

[El Conquistador]

First page of original bill said July 1st.
As does the original version of HB1269.

Random is right on July 1st. It’s been a long day for me, watching to many bills.

 

[Bigtanker]

Copied and sent.

 

[tbhausen]

@El Conquistador could speak to this better than me. Get it out of conference committee and on the floor for a vote.

Prediction: It gets to Eric the ******* RINO Holcomb who takes no action (that way he backs his boy Carter by not signing it, doesn't commit political suicide vetoing a bill that will be overridden with a majority vote.)

While running for the Senate in 2024 Eric the RINO will spend a metric crap-ton on commercials, use his establishment buddies to clear the field (Danny Niederberger come to mind?) and avoid the subject. He'll backstab Braun and back Carter for Governor.

I think Kelly is going to run the table with this prediction. Looking pretty good, anyhow.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I think Kelly is going to run the table with this prediction. Looking pretty good, anyhow.

 

[KellyinAvon]

OK, now fill Governor Holcomb's in basket and phone lines with instructions to sign HB1296!

Governor Eric Holcomb
State House Room 206
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2797
Phone: 317/232-4567
Fax: 317/232-3443

I will make sure one goes out tonight, so it is waiting on his staff's desk in the morning.

ETA:

"Governor Eric HolcombState House Room 206Indianapolis, IN 46204-2797Phone: 317/232-4567Fax: 317/232-3443Governor Holcomb,The Indiana Senate has, surprisingly, done the correct thing and passed HB 1296 containing the provisions of HB 1077. Though I am disgusted and disappointed with the members of the Indiana State Republican Party regarding their deceitful and anti-Constitutional behavior in the Senate, in the end they did vote to send HB 1296 to you.I have traditionally and primarily voted for Republican Party candidates as the Republican Party platform and many associated candidates were those options which were closest to my ideals. The actions of yourself, through your staff member Superintendent Carter, and multiple Republican Senators demonstrated an utter lack of respect for their constituents the Constitution and the Republican Party Platform.As a reminder, the Republican Party Platform states the following regarding the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States “...We support constitutional carry statutes and salute the states that have passed them.”. If you or other citizens of Indiana are going to run under the banner of the Republican Party, then the electorate has a reasonable expectation that you will adhere to the Party Platform. Actions to the contrary are simply and objectively intentional deceit of the voters of this State.I am primarily a constitutionalist, who understands well this Nation is a Republic of Republics, where the people retain authority and power through their elected representatives. I expect, and indeed require, that those who represent me first adhere to the oath they took to the Constitution, and second to NOT subvert those documents. Those speaking on behalf of the State, such as Superintendent Carter, or on behalf of organizations should be accorded only a fraction the attention given to the people speaking as citizens to their elected representatives. Organizations do not vote, citizens vote!It is now time for you to show that you ACTUALLY support the Republican Party Platform, and will ACT in accordance with your oath to the Constitution. Sign Constitutional / Permitless carry legislation HB 1296!Indiana and the Indiana State Republican Party are reaching a crossroads, and need to take action to retain my vote for candidates supported by the Republican Party. Those candidates running under the Republican Party banner need to not only say the right things, they must demonstrate those behaviors by their actions and votes once elected. Multiple current sitting members of the Indiana Senate Judiciary committee have already demonstrated they do not deserve my vote. A veto of Constitutional carry on your part will confirm beyond redemption that you are unfit to hold further office in this State.The Indiana State Republican Party should endeavor to support only those who will honor their oath and legislate only within the confines and upon the principles of the Constitutions of Indiana and these United States. Prove you are worthy to be supported by the Republican Party and voters who support it's platform."ETA2: FAX sent, result "OK". It will be waiting on the Governor's lacky in the morning. Come on ladies and gentlemen, run that thing out of paper by O dark 30!

Bumping this one!!

 

[KellyinAvon]

Here's a draft to aim at the Governor's Mansion.

Governor Holcomb,

Sign HB 1296 into law!!

HB 1296 codifies the lawful carry of handguns, and comes at a time when the essential right of self-defense has never been more important. This bill affects the law-abiding citizens of Indiana, not the violent criminals who are overwhelmingly prohibited possessors of firearms, and don’t obey the law.

At the beginning of the year there were 21 States with permit-less/no license carry of handguns. Our neighbor Ohio has a bill on the way to the Governor’s desk now. Those who opposed such legislation predicted dire consequences, as they do for any bill remotely considered Pro-2nd Amendment and Pro-Article 1, Section 32 of the Indiana Constitution. Observation shows this is not the case, as does data from FBI Uniform Crime Reporting.

The law-abiding don’t commit crimes. Criminals commit crimes and are undeterred by licensing schemes. HB 1296 does not change the definition of “proper person” that currently exists, nor does it make it lawful to possess a firearm when an individual is currently a prohibited possessor.

Over the past decade or so Indiana has passed a number of Pro-2nd Amendment and Pro-Article 1, Section 32 bills into law. These include: the law forbidding the prohibition of firearms stored in vehicles in employer’s parking lots (2010), the firearms law preemption statute (2011), allowing firearms to be stored in vehicles on school property (2014), allowing an individual with an order of protection against an abuser carry a handgun without a license (2017), the strengthening of the language and due process protections under the “Laird Law” (2019), and “Civil Immunity” and “Church Carry” (2019). Again, the dire consequences predicted by those who oppose any law that supports the Right to Keep and Bear Arms simply did not happen, and will not happen with the passage of HB 1296.

Of the 21 States currently with Constitutional Carry of handguns, 20 previously had handgun licensing requirements. Zero States have reinstated the licensing requirement.

In 2019 you signed House Bill 1284 into law while on stage at the National Rifle Association Annual Meeting of Members. This bill codified civil immunity for lawful self-defense, allowed carry of firearms at a worship service, and eliminated the State fees for the 5-year license to carry a handgun. On stage you stated, “Removing any and all barriers for lawful carry in our state is significant for the many Hoosier gun owners who want to protect themselves and others.” The NRA will be back in 2023.

Thank you,

Name
Address
Phone number Email

And bumping this one! It's time to not ask but tell Eric what we want.

Ask Eric

www.in.gov

 

[Expat]

Carter for governor? the top cop? The streets would be a river of blood. Minorities wouldn’t be safe to leave their homes, heck they wouldn’t be safe in their homes with the top cop in charge. Hyperbole can go both ways.

 

[DragonGunner]

No. Guy Relford addressed this on his FB page. They have until the end of the next session to override a veto.

Good info....I had read on earlier posts this couldn't be done, that no sign just meant too late and death of the bill....good to know. I have no faith in Holcomb to do the right thing, that fact that his RINO people still vote no in the senate leads me to believe he will either not sign or veto it.....He already said he support Police who were against it, to sign it would admit defeat on his part.

 

[K_W]

Is the TSA style "no-carry list" part of the final bill like the last few years?

I have major issues with such a list... no other state with CC has such a list, how do you know if you are on it, what if you already have a permit but the criteria they create puts you on it?

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

There are several that deserve it but how about sending Sen Koch a word of thanks for tonight?

Senator.Koch@iga.in.gov

Done.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Wow! Never thought it would be resurrected, let alone pass. Thanks to all of you on the front lines; Kelly, Guy, et al.

Off of the reps and sens and on to Holcomb.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

And bumping this one! It's time to not ask but tell Eric what we want.

Ask Eric

www.in.gov

Done and going to call and email every day. Thanks Kelly!

 

[Jaybird1980]

Hahaha, So now Taylor is all of a sudden not a fan of backroom dealings and stripping language from a bill and replacing it.

Taylor Responds to Senate Vote on Permitless Carry Legislation - Indiana Senate Democrats

Today, in a chaotic scramble of undemocratic back-room dealings, SB 209—which contained permitless carry language from the dead HB 1077—was stripped again and reinserted into House Bill 1296.

www.indianasenatedemocrats.org

He seemed to be a big fan of it in the not so distant past. Wonder what changed?