17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[Kutnupe14]

When Martin started bashing Zimmermans head into concrete that is when murder in progress started.

I believe the word you are looking for is "IF."

 

[bobzilla]

Zimmerman's innocence or guilt rests on that time frame. That time frame is what is crucial to me. Assuming Zimmerman did nothing to instigate the physical fight, he SHOULD WALK FREE. Even so, was it worth risking his livelihood on a guy who was suspicious while walking? That time frame has been my whole focus. The Zimmerman supporters seem to think its totally irrelevant.

nEVER Mind the fact that the girlfriend was on the phone at the time of the initial contact when M told her he was going to talk to Z. Then you hear "You got a problem" from M and "what are you doing here" from Z then a scuffle and the line disconnects.

Doesn't sound like Z was ambushing the kid or initiating the confrontation. He WAS following a suspicious person walking BEHIND houses in a gated community as part of his neighborhood watch and reporting to the police that took 18 minutes to respond.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Walking while suspicious warrants watching, trying to kill someone because they were watching you warrants self-defense. You calling self-defense "street justice" warrants a comparison of you to Sarah Brady.

I shutter to think at what applies as "suspicious" to you.

 

[bobzilla]

I shutter to think at what applies as "suspicious" to you.

Walking down a back sidewalk behind houses, at night in a gated community would be a start..... at least for me.

 

[Expat]

AG Holder praises Sharpton, a co-conspirator in the Tawana Brawley attempted shakedown. That is rich. As I recall, several of the DOJ Civil Rights Division have resigned since AG Holder got in office. So I would assume any findings by them would be a foregone conclusion.

What are these DOJ "peacemakers"? Why do I suspect the term would not be accurate?

As most of you know, three weeks ago, the Department of Justice launched an investigation into this incident, which remains open at this time — and prevents me from talking in detail about this matter. However, I can tell you that, in recent weeks, Justice Department officials — including Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division Tom Perez, and United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida Robert O’Neill — have traveled to Sanford, Florida, to meet with the Martin family, the community, and local authorities. The FBI is assisting local law enforcement officials. And representatives from the Community Relations Service — the Justice Department’s “peacemakers” — are continuing to meet with civil rights leaders, law enforcement officers, and area residents to address — and to help alleviate — community tensions. We’re also communicating closely with local, state, and federal representatives and officials.

 

[CarmelHP]

I shutter to think at what applies as "suspicious" to you.

I shudder to think what does NOT apply as suspicious to you, officer. If someone I don't know is prowling around my property and I call 911 and you get sent out I can expect to have to get beaten to a bloody pulp or my door kicked in before you do anything other than yawn. The police are a GREAT help, ain't they?

 

[Jake46184]

While certainly not unprecedented, it's sad that this prosecutor has surrendered to outside influences and has chosen to charge Zimmerman, even though there is no credible evidence that suggests she can possibly prevail in a fair trial composed of an impartial jury. Charging Zimmerman, and thus appeasing the minority masses and special interests, was determined to be more important than protecting the integrity of the system and the rights of each of us. Sad. Just what does she think the outcome will be when Zimmerman is found innocent of all charges?

The situation between Zimmerman and those claiming to be his legal counsel is also bizarre. Like the loser who claimed to be a lotto winner recently, they may have just been posers. Whatever the reality of the matter, it was a strange news conference earlier today from the attorneys.

 

[sepe]

This thread amuses me. You really get to see who people are...hold on, there is a young black male walking down the sidewalk. BRB!!!!

 

[bobzilla]

Holder needs to DIAF. Or at least be looking at his own prison cell.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Again, you avoid a direct question by constructing your own strawman. Are you related to Mark Fuhrman?

The question was:

I'll even remove parentheticals:

Yeah again, for what you consider "suspicious" never.

 

[bobzilla]

This thread amuses me. You really get to see who people are...hold on, there is a young black male walking down the sidewalk. BRB!!!!

Who said anything about color? Race has nothing to do with it. Someone is walking BEHIND my house at night in a gated community and it's not one of my neighbors, I'm going to be suspicious, and I will be more alert.

 

[Expat]

Zimmerman's life should, at the very least, be ruined. The police chief and prosecutor, kinda sucks for them, but they will probably be on their way out too.

Yeah, and reading comprehension owns you.

owns you... is that some kind of legal phrase that you sworn LEOs use?

Actually my reading comprehension is pretty good.

 

[bobzilla]

Yeah again, for what you consider "suspicious" never.

So you don't think an unknown person, walking behind houses, at night in a gated community warrants a second look?

Glad you're not patrolling my area.

 

[CarmelHP]

Yeah again, for what you consider "suspicious" never.

So people I don't know CAN wander my property and you do nothing? Does your Chief support this policy?

 

[Kutnupe14]

I shudder to think what does NOT apply as suspicious to you, officer. If someone I don't know is prowling around my property and I call 911 and you get sent out I can expect to have to get beaten to a bloody pulp or my door kicked in before you do anything other than yawn. The police are a GREAT help, ain't they?

Walking down a sidewalk = Prowling?

 

[hornadylnl]

"suspicious while walking"? For someone who is so pro property rights, you sure seem to ignore the evidence that Martin was cutting through yards.
ie: Trespassing.

In reading the 911 transcripts, I never saw a mention of Martin being in someone's yard. When did he go into someone's yard? before or after he ran from Zimmerman?

For the umpteenth time, if Zimmerman's story is 100% truthful, I think he should walk. But was the encounter worth the trouble to initiate over someone who only appeared suspicious?

There's no way it could ever be proven one way or the other but did the pd investigate this crime fully and from a neutral standpoint? We all know dead hookers and homeless people are given the same thorough investigations as the prominent among us. Was the investigation into this shooting tainted by the preconcieved notions of the investigator? I can't say yes or no.

The fact of the matter is that if Zimmerman initially witnessed a crime in progress, intervened and ended up in the same result, there'd be little doubt as to his innocence. I am not going to act in a situation where my only articulation is that someone looked suspicious. That someone is entitled to innocence until proven guilty that I am.

 

[bobzilla]

In reading the 911 transcripts, I never saw a mention of Martin being in someone's yard. When did he go into someone's yard? before or after he ran from Zimmerman?

The "sidewalk" that M was walking down runs BEHIND houses on two streets from what we've been shown by the "unbiased media".

 

[Fletch]

Who said anything about color? Race has nothing to do with it. Someone is walking BEHIND my house at night in a gated community and it's not one of my neighbors, I'm going to be suspicious, and I will be more alert.

Like the day I was working and saw someone carrying a rifle through my front yard?

Turned out it was the neighbor kid with a BB gun. Gave me one of those "face turned white" moments though.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So you don't think an unknown person, walking behind houses, at night in a gated community warrants a second look?

Glad you're not patrolling my area.

You'd have one of the safest districts in the city. I understand what constitutes good police work versus needlessly troubling people that have done nothing wrong.

 

[CarmelHP]

Walking down a sidewalk = Prowling?

Who said "sidewalk"? There you go again constructing your own strawman. How do you know Zimmerman's community had sidewalks or that Martin was on the sidewalk. Zimmerman said he was walking between houses. Again, someone on MY PROPERTY, MY BACK YARD and you'll do nothing? Is that right?