17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[Hotdoger]

Was there a victim listed from these robberies Martin committed? I'm trying to figure out how a criminal investigation is launched based on somebody having something they're not "supposed" to have (who makes that decision I'd like to know), and in absence of a victim.

So you never try to find out if property is stolen?

Never run any gun numbers?

 

[Hotdoger]

Was there a victim from a robbery? Did you actually just ask this question?

Carmel City attorney is loopy.

 

[churchmouse]

Fellas, this is a form of arousal for the OP. Really.

 

[Kutnupe14]

My daughters fiance showed me this a while back. He is black and believes "T" is a thug.

Does that make him an authority on the subject? Maybe he's just tryin' to get in good with his future father-in-law.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So you never try to find out if property is stolen?

Never run any gun numbers?

Of course I have, but sans proof of a crime or a victim, I have yet to be able to justify calling someone a thief or robber.

 

[MikeDVB]

Moo

 

[BigMatt]

You can't be serious. And while I'll be the first to say it's unlikely that these items originally belonged to Martin, how would you know otherwise? Hell, it's not uncommon for kids to take scrap jewlery and melt it down to make gold teeth, or fronts. Who is to say that he didn't procure this stuff by legal means?

It's ridiculous to call the items stolen because it's not known where they came from. Is it a crime to have something people "think" you shouldn't have?

If this is the standard you think should be applied to all persons, then we're in trouble.

See what I mean? He will use the most circumstantial assumptions about the situation when it comes to Z, but when it comes to TM, you must have concrete proof with any allegations you make.

He is just poking this thread and I believe he will play devil's advocate till the end.

 

[churchmouse]

Does that make him an authority on the subject? Maybe he's just tryin' to get in good with his future father-in-law.

Him and all of his friends. They owe me nothing. He owes me nothing except the rent. When we all sit around and discuss these issue's it is to get some knowledge about how people think. With knowledge comes understanding. They learn from me as well.

Accept the fact that some people can discuss this topic openly and honestly.
It has been an open topic since all this took place. He grew up in the Dayton Ohio area and moved here to escape that lifestyle. He lost his brother and many other family and friends to it so yes, he is a bit of an "Authority" on the mindset/lifestyle. There are no pieces of paper to hang in a frame announcing said authority but trust in the fact he knows who and what these people are. I know as well having dealt with this myself. It's not that hard.

I stand firm in my belief that "T" was a thug.

Just accept the fact that "T" doubled back to escalate the confrontation. All evidence points that way. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

I will say that you are a master at dragging out a topic. This thread will go into the record books.

 

[BigMatt]

This thread will go into the record books.

I think that is his goal. Every time he chimes in with some devil's advocate BS, he gets another 5 pages added to his topic.

 

[churchmouse]

I think that is his goal. Every time he chimes in with some devil's advocate BS, he gets another 5 pages added to his topic.

I do not know the man but I get a sense he is giggling every time he stirs the pile in his thread. I think it empowers him a bit as We get sucked right along trying to make valid points to get our opinions stated.

Again, I stand firm in my belief.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

CNN being CNN.

 

[churchmouse]

CNN being CNN.

I see being called a cracker just as significant as using the "N" word in the context they are pushing. The Brothers throw the "N" word into every conversation among themselves. It has lost a lot of its steam in my opinion.
Well, unless you are dealt the race card.

 

[BigMatt]

CNN being CNN.

That is pretty funny.

 

[drillsgt]

Remember how he landed here, "just showed up" (1-14-11) right after the Carmel PD was criticized by Liberty Sanders in their handling of his case (occurred @10-14-10). The assistant city attorney showed up with reams of INGO posts at the hearing (approx. 3-30-11). Imagine that.

Interesting chain of events. Sounds like a good way to score some points with the City Attorney if nothing else.

 

[CathyInBlue]

I wanna get a street name of "Cathy thuh Cracker". When someone asks me "Why they call you 'Cathy thuh Cracker'?" I whip out a nut cracker and pull a walnut or somesuch out of my pocket and ask, "What is this?" "That's a nut." I put the nut in the nut cracker and make a big production out of slowly squeezing the nut until it pops.

Yeah, I ain't all right in the head.

 

[eldirector]

I really like cheese and crackers. Have some Ritz in my desk drawer right now. Since you are what you eat.....

 

[KLB]

That shot to the head that I was talking about last week? You just heard it.



An old bull detective can really screw the prosecution long and hard and it is absolutely wonderful when he is on the defense's side. Oh, it is just absolutely wonderful when it happens.

Here, I'll say it again. I think Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, and I have no idea what happened (outside of the facts we currently have).

So, Kut. Based on this testimony do you still think he is guilty of manslaughter?

 

[jamil]

You can't be serious. And while I'll be the first to say it's unlikely that these items originally belonged to Martin, how would you know otherwise? Hell, it's not uncommon for kids to take scrap jewlery and melt it down to make gold teeth, or fronts. Who is to say that he didn't procure this stuff by legal means?

It's ridiculous to call the items stolen because it's not known where they came from. Is it a crime to have something people "think" you shouldn't have?

If this is the standard you think should be applied to all persons, then we're in trouble.

Well you've convicted Zimmerman of manslaughter on less evidence. Since the first page of this thread you've assumed that M was just fighting "a stranger that is attempting to illegally detain" him on not much more than your own whim of how things ought to be. I think I'm getting a clear picture on how innocent people get charged with bogus crimes.

 

[printcraft]

2nd Paragraph - Shamu testified that TM had gotten to his father's backyard. Why didn't he stay there?

He went BACK to encounter Z.

The Girl on the Other End of Trayvon's Phone Speaks - Connor Simpson - The Atlantic Wire

Y..... And while I'll be the first to say it's unlikely that these items originally belonged to Martin, how would you know otherwise? Hell, it's not uncommon for kids to take scrap jewlery and melt it down to make gold teeth, or fronts. Who is to say that he didn't procure this stuff by legal means?........

Was there a victim listed from these robberies Martin committed? ...........

 

[jamil]

Game, set, match no matter what the Carmel troll says.

In the real world where people are just trying to find the truth, yes. But don't forget how the initial investigation was conducted by an incompetent and racist police department. Last night I flipped through the news channels just to see how this disastrous day for the prosecution would be spun. HLN's panel of "experts" said (paraphrasing):

You can't trust the Sanford Police investigation because they were incompetent and racist, which is why they were replaced. Just wait until the evidence is presented from the "real" investigators, then you'll see what the truly vile white man did to the angelic little choir boy who happened to be black.

I wouldn't be surprised if the media photoshops some dimples and adds some face glow to M's childhood photo.