17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[griffin]

Yeah, there's one story floating out there that Trayvon saw the gun during the struggle, went for it, and Zimmerman was trying to stop him from getting it. All we know for sure is that Trayvon had evidence of a close contact shoot.

 

[griffin]

Question for the Legal Beagles: is "justifiable homicide" considered a crime? It may be a matter of semantics, but I am interested in the legal answer. Wikipedia says it is non-criminal, just like capital punishment or normal killing during a war, but I wouldn't depend on what Wikipedia says.

 

[Jake46184]

Putting Zimmerman on the stand, which virtually never happens in a bond hearing, was a brilliant move by O'Mara. Zimmerman was composed, seemed intelligent, level-headed and sympathetic to the plight of the Martin family. The "monster" persona that the liberal media has tried desperately to build for over a month was destroyed in 5 minutes. The State of Florida had little chance of winning this case, if it even goes to trial. They now have none. It could not have gone any better for Zimmerman.

 

[Fargo]

Question for the Legal Beagles: is "justifiable homicide" considered a crime? It may be a matter of semantics, but I am interested in the legal answer. Wikipedia says it is non-criminal, just like capital punishment or normal killing during a war, but I wouldn't depend on what Wikipedia says.

No, it is not a crime. It describes an act which would normally be criminal, but is not because of a defense or immunity.

Best,

Joe

 

[griffin]

Oh, this is rich.

JustOneMinute: The George Zimmerman Bail Hearing

 

[KG1]

Oh, this is rich.

JustOneMinute: The George Zimmerman Bail Hearing

Yeah there's been an discussion about this in another thread.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...etter_hope_the_prosecution_is_this_inept.html

 

[griffin]

No, it is not a crime.

Okay.

[Rhetorical question] Then why did the prosecutor keep saying:

And tell me, after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police, sir?

But before you committed this crime on February 26th, you were arrested -- I'm sorry, not arrested. You were questioned that day, right, February 26th? ​

We don't yet know if it is a crime. I wonder why O'Mara or Zimmerman himself didn't object to this language.

 

[Fargo]

Okay.

[Rhetorical question] Then why did the prosecutor keep saying:

And tell me, after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police, sir?

But before you committed this crime on February 26th, you were arrested -- I'm sorry, not arrested. You were questioned that day, right, February 26th? ​

We don't yet know if it is a crime. I wonder why O'Mara or Zimmerman himself didn't object to this language.

Because it was a bond hearing in front of a judge so it really didn't matter; but yes it would be objectionable.

Best,

Joe

 

[Phil502]

Putting Zimmerman on the stand, which virtually never happens in a bond hearing, was a brilliant move by O'Mara. Zimmerman was composed, seemed intelligent, level-headed and sympathetic to the plight of the Martin family. The "monster" persona that the liberal media has tried desperately to build for over a month was destroyed in 5 minutes. The State of Florida had little chance of winning this case, if it even goes to trial. They now have none. It could not have gone any better for Zimmerman.

Thats what I thought too, didn't sound cocky or crazy to me.

 

[griffin]

Because it was a bond hearing in front of a judge so it really didn't matter

Yeah, there was no jury there. Only CNN, fifteen other news organizations, and 300 million other Americans dissecting this.

 

[Fargo]

Yeah, there was no jury there. Only CNN, fifteen other news organizations, and 300 million other Americans dissecting this.

Yeah, but from the transcript I read, it made the prosecutor look like a jackass more than anything. It is just as important for a trial attorney to know when NOT to object, as it is for him to know his evidence and objections.

Judges don't appreciate such crap and I guarantee you Z's position was improved every time it was said.

Best,

Joe

 

[Glock19]

Because the law defines them as adults and defines 17 year olds as minor "children"???

Sure it is a distinction without much meaning between 17 and 18 but it is the law.

Joe

Then why are some teens charged as adults? Its more than just the law says they are legal at 18.

 

[Fargo]

Then why are some teens charged as adults? Its more than just the law says they are legal at 18.

Because a judge has ruled that the juvenile system is incapable of handling their case appropriately because of the constraints placed upon it.

Joe

 

[Glock19]

Because a judge has ruled that the juvenile system is incapable of handling their case appropriately because of the constraints placed upon it.

Joe

So you contradict yourself. Legally a 17 year old can be a "man" then...

 

[griffin]

Judges don't appreciate such crap and I guarantee you Z's position was improved every time it was said.

How does that help Zimmerman?

 

[griffin]

I am anxiously awaiting Corey's new damning evidence. She must have manufactured that out of unicorn tears and unobtanium.

Even her star lead investigator threw her under the bus today with the entire "Zimmerman profiled" as "manufactured" evidence that he wouldn't lay claim to.

And yes, I've read the local rumors she has two new witnesses that no one knows about. That's unpossible. Someone knows about them, including the defense.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Martinś lawyers have already stated the family is devastated that he was released and look forward to him being convicted so he will be back in jail. They just admitted they did not want a fair trial like they claimed, they just want him locked up regardless of the facts

 

[cobber]

Martinś lawyers have already stated the family is devastated that he was released and look forward to him being convicted so he will be back in jail. They just admitted they did not want a fair trial like they claimed, they just want him locked up regardless of the facts

Yes, the family seems to have escalated their expectations. The more they talk like this, the less sympathy they will have.

Zimmerman has painted them in a corner, I think.

 

[popeye]

Why do we only hear of the Travon's in this country?

Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy' - New York Daily News

http://cofcc.org/2012/04/chicago-thug-charged-with-hate-crime-in-latest-attack/

Nicholas Stix, Uncensored: Tulsa: Murderous, Racist Attack on Nancy and Bob Strait: Help Bob Strait! Demand That Mayor Bartlett Devote the Necessary Resources to Find 4 Killers

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/nbc-48903-walter-white.html

 

[Fargo]

How does that help Zimmerman?

Because the judge is the one who decides whether he gets bond at the end of that hearing?

The judge is also the one who hears and decides the preponderance hearing.

The judge can also remove the case from the jury and enter an acquittal at the close of state's evidence at trial.

Unlike most other cases, Florida's self-defense statute gives the judge significant control over the state's ability to prosecute the case.

Best,

Joe