Who was the best president?

[Lex Concord]

Most of my presentation are inland - Milwaukee, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee - for which I am well paid. You apparently aren't familiar with the importance of the Mississippi Squadron to the US victory if you think only the coasts were important to the Navy.

As stated, it was out of curiosity and a serious question. I honestly don't know much about the naval engagements (or many others, for that matter) of the Civil War or their relative import to the outcome; you'll notice my comments didn't pertain to the facts of the war itself

Congratulations on being well paid.

And I am doing the reaearch for those presentations myself - I go to original sources (such as the Articles of Secession and period internal Navy documents) for my information, not later revisionist writings.
My degree is for natural AND historical interpretation. My job is to take obscure or complicated information and make it undrestandable to the general public, and that includes historical information. The peole who attend my presentations don't seem to care about history degrees - they just know the presentation is entertaining and accurate.

Having this additional detail certainly changes my understanding. Having only your assertion that being paid to make the presentations made you a professional historian, along with your CV and professional profile (which makes details little of the historical aspect of your work), the above was a reasonable conclusion.

I stand corrected and better informed.

 

[spencer rifle]

As stated, it was out of curiosity and a serious question. I honestly don't know much about the naval engagements (or many others, for that matter) of the Civil War or their relative import to the outcome; you'll notice my comments didn't pertain to the facts of the war itself

Congratulations on being well paid.



Having this additional detail certainly changes my understanding. Having only your assertion that being paid to make the presentations made you a professional historian, along with your CV and professional profile (which makes details little of the historical aspect of your work), the above was a reasonable conclusion.

I stand corrected and better informed.

Thank you for you civilized and gracious attitude.

 

[PatriotPride]

I respectfully recuse myself from this thread. Enjoy your discussion.

 

[CarmelHP]

As I've posted here before, to say that the Civil War wasn't about slavery is as simplistic as saying it was only about slavery.

As someone pointed out, read what the individual states gave as reasons for secession and it's impossible to deny that the preservation of slavery was a main reason.

Those of you who say it's about state's rights only, I ask you this. How can the people of a state have a "right" to enslave other human beings?

Even the supposed "sovereignty" and "states' rights" rhetoric was a smokescreen for preserving slavery. The South absolutely abhorred states' rights when it was the Northern states refusing to enforce, or allowing enforcement within their borders, of the Fugitive Slave Act. The South demanded federal action to punish those exercises of "states' rights."

 

[dross]

Even the supposed "sovereignty" and "states' rights" rhetoric was a smokescreen for preserving slavery. The South absolutely abhorred states' rights when it was the Northern states refusing to enforce, or allowing enforcement within their borders, of the Fugitive Slave Act. The South demanded federal action to punish those exercises of "states' rights."

That is a most excellent point.

For a while, I got caught up in the libertarian view about the South's states' rights. Going a bit deeper, though, and you have to acknowledge that since you can't have the right to own another person's labor by force, those states "rights" were trumped by the individual rights of the enslaved people.

Now, I DO think that the Constitution intended that a state could secede. That complicates the justification for the war. I think that if the Northern states had been going to war to free the enslaved Africans it would have been for a justified reason.

Plenty of ugliness to go around. Lincoln was no friend of freedom, though he was an interesting man and a genius, and "great" in his abilities if not his motivations.

 

[abrewer15]

Andrew Jackson. First in a (not long enough) line to tell the international bankers where they could pack it.

"I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun."

Enough said
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[dross]

"I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun."

Enough said​

Hey, don't jack a thread that's already been jacked! That's a jackback, and it's totally unacceptable.

 

[bbarker]

Reagan...or possibly Lincoln with dealing with the civil war and slavery.

 

[dreingar]

Yeah, hard to beat ol' Hickory Stick (go back to school and re-take history if you said "who?")

 

[A5guy]

Hey, don't jack a thread that's already been jacked! That's a jackback, and it's totally unacceptable.

My only hopefully helpful contribution is to acknowledge that Jackson was a genocidal dick, but he knew the clear bigger picture destructive forces of our future, even then.

 

[c3d4b2]

I use to be fond of T. Roosevelt and Lincoln until I learned a little more about their history. I was really disappointed to learn Lincoln had troops fire on the protesters (rioters) in New York that were protesting.

I also wonder why the president is blamed for the deficit while the legislative branch's has much more involvement and their contribution is overlooked.

 

[ruger7722]

Hillary,things were good

 

[HICKMAN]

Washington
He had to do it from scratch , hold a new country together long enough for it to work it's self in to running and deal with one third of the people that did not like the patriots .

uh... he had to do it from scratch?

That would be John Hanson, the 1st President

There were 7 Presidents prior to Washington, who was the 1st under the Constitution.

Does everyone think the Constitution magically happened right after the war?

 

[Archaic_Entity]

Yeah, hard to beat ol' Hickory Stick (go back to school and re-take history if you said "who?")

It was just Ol' Hickory... the "Stick" wasn't a part of his nickname.

You know who was better? Young Hickory.

If you just said, "Who?" Go back to school and re-take history.

^.^

 

[rambone]

King Abraham the Tyrant

Lincoln fans: Are you aware that President Lincoln arrested (and sometimes executed) tens of thousands of his political opponents in the North? Free speech...? Not so much under "Honest Abe."

He arrested journalists, newspaper editors, even congressmen! Lincoln arrested dozens of legislators from the Maryland State Congress, the Mayor of Baltimore, and Congressman Henry May of Baltimore.

He arrested high profile people such as U.S. Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, in the middle of the night using dozens of federal soldiers. Vallandigham was abducted and thrown into a military prison without due process, and later deported.

Lincoln also wrote up an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Roger Taney, after he wrote an unfavorable opinion about Lincoln's illegal suspension of habeas corpus.

Lincoln started a war without consent of Congress.

He quartered soldiers inside private homes.

He set horrific precedents of expansive Federal power.

He shut down hundreds of newspapers and censored speech on the telegraph.

He advocated that blacks be deported back to Africa or Haiti, anywhere but left free to roam the USA.

He declared martial law and confiscated firearms from private citizens.

More Americans died in the the Civil war than in both World Wars.

His legacy will live in infamy.


SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.

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[jsgolfman]

If you want to get to know Lincoln, pick up one of these books by Thomas Di Lorenzo:

Amazon.com: Thomas DiLorenzo: Books

Sometimes you can find them at the library or used bookstore, but not often.

 

[Compatriot G]

Lincoln fans: Are you aware that President Lincoln arrested (and sometimes executed) tens of thousands of his political opponents in the North? Free speech...? Not so much under "Honest Abe."

He arrested journalists, newspaper editors, even congressmen! Lincoln arrested dozens of legislators from the Maryland State Congress, the Mayor of Baltimore, and Congressman Henry May of Baltimore.

He arrested high profile people such as U.S. Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, in the middle of the night using dozens of federal soldiers. Vallandigham was abducted and thrown into a military prison without due process, and later deported.

Lincoln also wrote up an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Roger Taney, after he wrote an unfavorable opinion about Lincoln's illegal suspension of habeas corpus.

Lincoln started a war without consent of Congress.

He quartered soldiers inside private homes.

He set horrific precedents of expansive Federal power.

He shut down hundreds of newspapers and censored speech on the telegraph.

He advocated that blacks be deported back to Africa or Haiti, anywhere but left free to roam the USA.

He declared martial law and confiscated firearms from private citizens.

More Americans died in the the Civil war than in both World Wars.

His legacy will live in infamy.


SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.

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Deo Vindice!

 

[spencer rifle]

It was just Ol' Hickory... the "Stick" wasn't a part of his nickname.

You know who was better? Young Hickory.

If you just said, "Who?" Go back to school and re-take history.

^.^

Young Hickory = James Polk! Our favorite!
They Might Be Giants even did a song about him. Can't say that for any other president!

 

[TomN]

Don't like any of em.

 

[E5RANGER375]

uh... he had to do it from scratch?

That would be John Hanson, the 1st President

There were 7 Presidents prior to Washington, who was the 1st under the Constitution.

Does everyone think the Constitution magically happened right after the war?

come on man, you see the same idiots day to day as I do. of coarse they think that. just like most people think the declaration of independence was signed in one day in the same room ... like the painting shows