What is the Alt-Right? Maybe you should ask one.

[Alpo]

You weren't too concerned when the Occupy groups abounded. Protests, especially peaceful protests, help eliminate media spin. Personally, I never trusted protest leaders enough to represent my feelings that I would want to participate. But, it's a non-violent outlet for angst and I support non-violent dissent on almost any topic.

But, this movement bears close watching. The pancake eaters can rapidly develop into a group who seek to intimidate others with their views on national, cultural, religious and racial purity.

 

[jamil]

I don't know if there's a movement, however that would be defined. From what I can tell, these guys are thinking and posting and thinking and posting and possibly doing less real-world political activity than (small "L") libertarians. They didn't win the election for anyone and I think its intellectually dishonest for anyone to posit that those who are self-described as "Alt-Right" and know what the core principles are (assuming the OP describes them) had any widespread affect on the electorate.

That's a fair point. So far, the self-proclaimed alt right is mostly reddit, blogs and youtube. I think they're trying to describe the mood of the country which elected Trump. And I think that sentiment did have an impact. How much? I don't really know. Trump wasn't elected by a homogenous group. I voted for him, but not for the same reasons as the Trumpers and/or the Alt Right.

The left took the air out of the Tea Party by making it synonymous with racism. It didn't matter that the claim was patently untrue. The leftists made it stick by sheer repetition. They can do the same to just about anything or anyone.

How did Trump win? The left, rather than taking the air out of the Trump voters, helped fuel it. Why should the TEA Party give a **** about what the left thinks about them? Trumpers didn't and they won. The TEA Party died because of many things. I think they'd still be around if they hadn't let just anyone add to the original value of Taxed Enough Already.

 

[jbombelli]

So now, we're making this conversation personal?

Nothing I said was meant to be directed toward anyone in particular, except maybe myself. It was just a general observation about something that bothers me. I understand it doesn't bother a lot of others.

 

[Ericpwp]

The TEA Party died because of many things. I think they'd still be around if they hadn't let just anyone add to the original value of Taxed Enough Already.

I think they made their mark on America.

 

[jamil]

You weren't too concerned when the Occupy groups abounded. Protests, especially peaceful protests, help eliminate media spin. Personally, I never trusted protest leaders enough to represent my feelings that I would want to participate. But, it's a non-violent outlet for angst and I support non-violent dissent on almost any topic.

But, this movement bears close watching. The pancake eaters can rapidly develop into a group who seek to intimidate others with their views on national, cultural, racial purity.

When intimidation starts--we're seeing it in all these nutbag protesters--it's time to get concerned. If you're at defcon 1 over the Alt Right, and not over the riots and people getting beaten up just over belief, man I dunno what to say.

You get to believe what you want until you try to force your beliefs on others. Alt Right hasn't done that yet. The nutbag protesters have. Your defcon should be aimed at them.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I wish we could all just be good Americans instead of having to be labeled something or other. I don't need a label to know who I am or what I believe. There is, and I suspect this is true for a lot of us, no label that really defines me properly.

See my sig line.

Agreed. We've become divided into groups of hyphenated Americans and acronyms.

 

[jamil]

I wish we could all just be good Americans instead of having to be labeled something or other. I don't need a label to know who I am or what I believe. There is, and I suspect this is true for a lot of us, no label that really defines me properly.

See my sig line.

So now, we're making this conversation personal?

I hope not. I don't want my thread to be locked. We're just talking about ideas here. Not people. Let's all just keep it stuck on ideas.

Nothing I said was meant to be directed toward anyone in particular, except maybe myself. It was just a general observation about something that bothers me. I understand it doesn't bother a lot of others.

I think it may have been Birds Away's comment. I completely agree with yours.

I guess we invent labels so we can compartmentalize belief. But no one believes the exact same on every issue.

 

[Alpo]

When intimidation starts--we're seeing it in all these nutbag protesters--it's time to get concerned. If you're at defcon 1 over the Alt Right, and not over the riots and people getting beaten up just over belief, man I dunno what to say.

You get to believe what you want until you try to force your beliefs on others. Alt Right hasn't done that yet. The nutbag protesters have. Your defcon should be aimed at them.

I guess I haven't seen any violence out of the protests. I've pretty much ignored them. Are they shooting people or throwing molotovs? From what I've read, it seems that many of the protestors failed to voice any opinion at the ballot box. And it appears some anarchists are taking advantage of the legitimate expression of dissent.

But, coming from a generation that witnessed the late 60's and 70's demonstrations, it's a bit difficult to get too excited by Hillary supporters.

 

[jamil]

I guess I haven't seen any violence out of the protests. I've pretty much ignored them. Are they shooting people or throwing molotovs?

Is the Alt Right? So far all they're doing is writing blogs.

 

[Alpo]

Ah, mi amigo, there is a difference. We've witnessed the effects of fascism throughout history. Do we have to wait for a mosque in Dearborn to be bombed before we say this new form of fascism isn't any different than its predecessors?

 

[Birds Away]

Ah, mi amigo, there is a difference. We've witnessed the effects of fascism throughout history. Do we have to wait for a mosque in Dearborn to be bombed before we say this new form of fascism isn't any different than its predecessors?

Is it fascism already?

 

[jamil]

Ah, mi amigo, there is a difference. We've witnessed the effects of fascism throughout history. Do we have to wait for a mosque in Dearborn to be bombed before we say this new form of fascism isn't any different than its predecessors?

Meanwhile cities riot over BLM, Trump being elected, etcetera. I think the Alt Right leans towards fascism. I wouldn't say at this point that they're bent on violence and world domination. I'm not going to assume they're saying more than they've said just because some of what they've said sounds a little parallel to what some other people said. My hearing isn't all that well tuned to hearing dog whistles. But I'm not about to assume every similar noise I hear is one.

So how do we do this defcon thing? Do we hunker down? Or do we just bust in doors and shoot first when we catch them blogging? Violence isn't justified until there's violence from which to defend.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

People get to believe racist, bigoted, nationalistic, socialistic, and all sorts of misguided to evil things. Until they actually start pulling triggers and setting off bombs, we let them do that. We prosecute the ones that actually do harm. (At least we should.)

 

[Alpo]

Meanwhile cities riot over BLM, Trump being elected, etcetera. I think the Alt Right leans towards fascism. I wouldn't say at this point that they're bent on violence and world domination. I'm not going to assume they're saying more than they've said just because some of what they've said sounds a little parallel to what some other people said. My hearing isn't all that well tuned to hearing dog whistles. But I'm not about to assume every similar noise I hear is one.

So how do we do this defcon thing? Do we hunker down? Or do we just bust in doors and shoot first when we catch them blogging? Violence isn't justified until there's violence from which to defend.

60 million people voted for the democratic candidate. How many protestors are there? A few thousand? Tens of thousands?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...-table-main_opportunists-633pm:homepage/story

Alt-right exploitation for profit. Welcome to the new millennium.

 

[HoughMade]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...-table-main_opportunists-633pm:homepage/story

We get it. People are stupid. The article could be a little more complete by pointing out that the so-called "mainstream media" engages in similar clickbait tactics with only a smidge (to be generous) more fact in the articles.

 

[jamil]

60 million people voted for the democratic candidate. How many protestors are there? A few thousand? Tens of thousands?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...-table-main_opportunists-633pm:homepage/story

Alt-right exploitation for profit. Welcome to the new millennium.

OMG! people put clickbait on the internet and people actually click it! Defcon 1! Defcon 1!

meanwhile Ferguson Mo, and Baltimore burn. Ah, just a bunch of protesters. Let 'em protest. Ain't hurting anyone.

 

[Alpo]

It is one thing to be motivated by the zeal of passionate ideologues like Thomas Paine. Methinks bearded capitalist millennials in an AirBnB squat don't quite make the cut.

 

[GIJEW]

There's a distinction to be made between ethno-centrism and racism. When the author starts rambling about securing a future for whites instead of western culture, I think he's crossed that line.
His claim that: "diversity+proximity=war" is a lame excuse for not coexisting with anyone different., and IMO the most objectionable point.

If he wants to buy a piece of mountain next door to randy weaver, I'll be happy to ignore him.

 

[Alpo]

OMG! people put clickbait on the internet and people actually click it! Defcon 1! Defcon 1!

meanwhile Ferguson Mo, and Baltimore burn. Ah, just a bunch of protesters. Let 'em protest. Ain't hurting anyone.

So, you've bought your brown shirt then?

 

[DoggyDaddy]