What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[jamil]

Let's leave police reform out of it and look at the other issues included in the current protests.

It appears to me that there are legitimate arguments for removal of civil war and Jim Crowe memorials. Many here have already argued those points and there probably is no need to re-iterate them.

The remainder appears to be an admission that the black community has an inability to mainstream....and the thread, although unspoken, is obvious to most: the black community needs protection under law because it is unable to compete on merit.

There. I've said it. Blacks are not equal to the task of competing against other races....

Now...let's think about that. I know black people in most professions that are quite capable of holding their own against all comers. Politics. Medicine. Science. Language Arts. Music. etc etc.

So, if that is true, then the premise must be wrong. Blacks ARE equal to the task of competing against other races in any meaningful way you choose to measure it.

So, why these demands for quotas and forced inclusion? They aren't warranted and should be shouted down with rigor.

Probably most of the monuments of civil war era that were erected in the early 20th century were done to support the Jim Crowe memorials. I don't have any problem with removing those if that's the primary purpose, but it has to be a community decision. Rioters taking it on themselves to take them down through violence is the wrong way to handle that. Sure. Protest them. Persuade your communities that they should come down. That's as far as you get to go with that.

The quota thing is just critical race theory nonsense. It's well thought out in terms of how to exploit human nature and deconstruct the US, but as a competent epistemology, it's bull****.

 

[BugI02]

You're talking about the organization correct? Or just ever instance where it is invoked? Can you expound on what you mean when you say it's a "Trojan horse?"

A vessel that presents an deceptive appearance on its surface to disguise the destructive purpose camolflaged within

 

[paintman]

I guess our company is mandating diversity training. One of the videos shows a white guy and black guy standing beside each other. Another white guy walks up and asks the other white guy to help him to fit a part on a car. The video ends and you are asked to define what type of racism this is. Intentional or unintentional.

 

[churchmouse]

I guess our company is mandating diversity training. One of the videos shows a white guy and black guy standing beside each other. Another white guy walks up and asks the other white guy to help him to fit a part on a car. The video ends and you are asked to define what type of racism this is. Intentional or unintentional.

You are kidding me yes.

 

[churchmouse]

A vessel that presents an deceptive appearance on its surface to disguise the destructive purpose camolflaged within

 

[paintman]

Cm I kid you not. It’s unbelievable. Then if you answer wrong you have to watch another video to tell you why you are racist.

 

[Leadeye]

Crazy, nothing race related about knowing how to work on cars.

 

[Alpo]

I guess our company is mandating diversity training. One of the videos shows a white guy and black guy standing beside each other. Another white guy walks up and asks the other white guy to help him to fit a part on a car. The video ends and you are asked to define what type of racism this is. Intentional or unintentional.

If it's a Porsche 718 Spyder and the guy he asks to help is named Hans and he only speaks German, then it's Masterracism.

If it's a British Triump TR6 with Lucas electronics and the guy he asks to help is named Neville, then it's Prince of Darknessism.

If it's Dodge. It's racism. Nobody likes to work on MoPar.

 

[BugI02]

No, you can separate them because it means different things to different people and in different contexts. That's what makes it such an effective Trojan horse to get people to accept ideas baked in critical race theory that they wouldn't have otherwise. It's a nifty idea if you're a well trained Marxist and community organizer pushing that stuff. It's pretty brilliant actually.

That black lives matter is not something that's hard for people to accept. Nearly everyone reacted in shock to George Floyd's death, and nearly everyone thought that he was unjustly killed by that cop. The support for initial protests before they turned violent was nearly universal. That black lives matter is self-evident to nearly everyone. So much so that the phrase itself seems odd to say, as if it implies that other lives didn't, or that there's a significant faction of this country that doesn't believe they do matter. The natural response for most people is "yes, of course, all lives matter" because most people believe that. Saying "black lives matter" is a tautology of "all lives matter". It's self defined. Self evident. A truism. It's merely saying the same thing as "all lives matter" with an odd and unnecessary specificity.

I think because it's nearly universally accepted that black lives matter, it's easy to sneak in the Marxist **** into most societal institutions.

Agreed. For me, it seems designed to cause cognitive dissonance

It's as if a political organization took an unobjectionable sentiment, like 'Have a nice day', and warped it into a weapon to force people to agree they were having a nice day. And not just acquiesce but vocally affirm and support the organization's definition of what constitutes a nice day on pain of having you life destroyed if you don't

More Red Guard than National Socialist

 

[churchmouse]

Cm I kid you not. It’s unbelievable. Then if you answer wrong you have to watch another video to tell you why you are racist.

We have allowed those seeds to be planted long ago and then allowed the PC police to come into our lives and nurture those seeds.
It would seem we are now without any defense of any actions we take concerning people of any color and I for 1 and damned tired of it. But the left has given themselves a serious tool. And they use it like a weapon.

The terrorists (see avatar) and the older sister are mixed. One day they told me I might be a racist from what they learned at school that day. Yup, black teacher. To say it got seriously ugly is an understatement. I have zero use for the hatred this espouses for no more reason than the hate.

 

[Leadeye]

Here ya go:

I think that will assume any business are hiring. Threatening to burn people out isn't something that says "set up factory here".

 

[churchmouse]

I think that will assume any business are hiring. Threatening to burn people out isn't something that says "set up factory here".

The last statement is just whack. The destruction is from with in the black community.

 

[BugI02]

Let's leave police reform out of it and look at the other issues included in the current protests.

It appears to me that there are legitimate arguments for removal of civil war and Jim Crowe memorials. Many here have already argued those points and there probably is no need to re-iterate them.

The remainder appears to be an admission that the black community has an inability to mainstream....and the thread, although unspoken, is obvious to most: the black community needs protection under law because it is unable to compete on merit.

There. I've said it. Blacks are not equal to the task of competing against other races....

Now...let's think about that. I know black people in most professions that are quite capable of holding their own against all comers. Politics. Medicine. Science. Language Arts. Music. etc etc.

So, if that is true, then the premise must be wrong. Blacks ARE equal to the task of competing against other races in any meaningful way you choose to measure it.

So, why these demands for quotas and forced inclusion? They aren't warranted and should be shouted down with rigor.

I would go even a bit further than that. If I was hiring for any critical position on a team, either management or technical, would I be willing to take a chance on someone who might attribute every decision in which they don't get what they want to racism? Would I want to have to defend every decision I make in that arena even though I could? Do even non-special people accept valid criticism of their performance as valid?

I wouldn't willingly hire an uber-woke progressive of any protected class for the same reasons. It seems a recipe for ensuring the quota is met but never exceeded and that the checked box's co-workers will resent him/her and his/her rise through the ranks will be curtailed. At the functional, customer facing level it's always about getting the job done swiftly and well, and that requires every oar being in the water and pulling in the same direction

 

[jamil]

I guess our company is mandating diversity training. One of the videos shows a white guy and black guy standing beside each other. Another white guy walks up and asks the other white guy to help him to fit a part on a car. The video ends and you are asked to define what type of racism this is. Intentional or unintentional.

C. Undetermined. Not enough information is explained in the scenario to determine if race played a role.



This response is what they might call white fragility. It's a term thrown at sane people to marginalize them for using reason to analyze situations. Reason is racist because it excludes other modes of knowing, like feeling, or lived experience.

 

[jamil]

If it's a Porsche 718 Spyder and the guy he asks to help is named Hans and he only speaks German, then it's Masterracism.

If it's a British Triump TR6 with Lucas electronics and the guy he asks to help is named Neville, then it's Prince of Darknessism.

If it's Dodge. It's racism. Nobody likes to work on MoPar.

If it's anything with Lucas electronics the wipers won't work unless you also have the left turn signal on at the same time while pumping the breaks with the same frequency you want the wipers to oscilate. You'll need a guy from Eastern Tennessee to fix that. His name is Clem. He lives in the Holler about 3 houses down from the railroad tracks.

 

[printcraft]

C. Undetermined. Not enough information is explained in the scenario to determine if race played a role.



This response is what they might call white fragility. It's a term thrown at sane people to marginalize them for using reason to analyze situations. Reason is racist because it excludes other modes of knowing, like feeling, or lived experience.

You clearly don't know how this works... You are blinded by your white eyes.
It's both Unintentional and Intentional.
Unintentional is just your white privilege making you "think" you are not concerned about color when
your subconscious white mind is automatically removing the black person from consideration.
So it's really intentional on a base level.

 

[KLB]

Cm I kid you not. It’s unbelievable. Then if you answer wrong you have to watch another video to tell you why you are racist.

They could just as easily say you ask the black guy, what kind of racism is it.

Wait until you get to learn about microaggressions. They are the most awesomest.

 

[jamil]

They could just as easily say you ask the black guy, what kind of racism is it.

Wait until you get to learn about microaggressions. They are the most awesomest.

Some DIE language has cropped up in our leadership's communications, but so far nothing about beginning diversity training and we don't have an official diversity officer yet.

 

[KLB]

We don't have an officer, but we have had training. It has mostly been taken as a joke some of the employees. My team is pretty diverse, and this crap gets joked about a lot among us. People that didn't know us would probably be mortified if they heard us.

 

[Leadeye]

If it's a Porsche 718 Spyder and the guy he asks to help is named Hans and he only speaks German, then it's Masterracism.

If it's a British Triump TR6 with Lucas electronics and the guy he asks to help is named Neville, then it's Prince of Darknessism.

If it's Dodge. It's racism. Nobody likes to work on MoPar.

Bah!