Vaccines and stuff: Pt 2

[Shadow01]

I read the past few months of this thread and I am starting to feel like The Outlaw Josie Wales - the last of the hold outs.

Am I one of very few who have not been shot?
I understand that many had to get shot to comply with illegal employer mandates, but it seems many still got the shots.

My son lied to me to get his shot. I drive him to work and he told me that he was going in for a short shift to cover for someone, but he was going to stand in line for the jab and he did not want me to know.

By the time we got there he had come clean and I told him I would wait for him in the parking lot.
But that is one example of the crazy BS associated with this thing.

I'm oldish and not in that great of health, having four precriptions to keep running right, as close as I can get these days.
But, I'm fine for my age and I almost never even get a cold. I have amazingly good blood scores according to the doc. I am fine without a shot of some unknown substance.

I have lost a 92 year old aunt to Covid early on, later an older than me cousin about 71 who has always been sick with everything, both attributed to Covid 19. That was painful, but not unexpected in either case.

I saw and watched the scare being ramped up over time and one of my first thoughts is, if this thing is as bad as they keep telling us it is, then where are all the masses of dead bodies?

I have gotten a "flu shot" every year for over twenty years and it has always been a no brainer after the first time. It seems to help me through the season!
I kept up.
I went into CVS the other day to get my flu shot, but they insisted that I get the Covid jab as well.
I said no to that. I am only here for the flu shot.
The attendant nurse who administers both shots balked at my stance and said she would not be able to do that.

I told her I would go some place else.

WTF is going on?
It seems like we should be done with this by now!

Many places have the flu and covid vaccine in the same shot.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

My point is that it's way more complex than a simple slogan, (e.g. "Follow the money").

I'm certainly not in favor of a socialized healthcare system, but there is fallout from a capitalist model. And I I hear is complaining in these threads, not any ideas about how to change anything.

What are yours? You do a lot of criticizing too.

 

[BeDome]

Many places have the flu and covid vaccine in the same shot.

I am worried about that. All this talk has me more wary than ever.
I have trusted my doc for many years. It's time for a conversation and maybe a flu shot directly from her.

 

[jamil]

Actually I trust no one but you, Printcraft!

Challenge accepted.

 

[BugI02]

My point is that it's way more complex than a simple slogan, (e.g. "Follow the money").

I'm certainly not in favor of a socialized healthcare system, but there is fallout from a capitalist model. And I I hear is complaining in these threads, not any ideas about how to change anything.

Capitalism is the worst system - except for all those other systems designed to take its place

 

[BugI02]

not any ideas about how to change anything.

You need a virtuous circle:

Doctors incentivized to keep insurance companies honest and make sure they pay for what they should

Insurance companies incentivized to make sure doctors aren't recommending care/procedures solely because it makes more money for them

Patients given the data necessary to keep them both honest by being able to research which organizations are low rated in terms of quality of care and costs - that is where government can help by requiring pricing transparency as well as compiling quality of care information, information on outcomes and patient reviews in a format that can be easily searched. You shouldn't have to go to any particular organizations website to try to research costs or success rates, the organizations should be required to provide that information to government and be forced to stand behind listed pricing

It isn't that difficult, Medicare.gov already does that for numerous traditional medicare as well as medicare advantage plans and drug plans with everything available on one site

 

[BugI02]

What are yours? You do a lot of criticizing too.

I think it is 'Do what the government tells you and all will be well'

 

[jamil]

You need a virtuous circle:

Doctors incentivized to keep insurance companies honest and make sure they pay for what they should

Insurance companies incentivized to make sure doctors aren't recommending care/procedures solely because it makes more money for them

Patients given the data necessary to keep them both honest by being able to research which organizations are low rated in terms of quality of care and costs - that is where government can help by requiring pricing transparency as well as compiling quality of care information, information on outcomes and patient reviews in a format that can be easily searched. You shouldn't have to go to any particular organizations website to try to research costs or success rates, the organizations should be required to provide that information to government and be forced to stand behind listed pricing

It isn't that difficult, Medicare.gov already does that for numerous traditional medicare as well as medicare advantage plans and drug plans with everything available on one site

I think that the crony mé·nage à trois between the government, providers, and insurance companies has to be utterly destroyed. It's convenient to just have the provider and insurance companies handle everything, but that is what has eroded the consumer as a force in the market. I think the connection between providers and insurance companies needs to be severed. We should make it illegal for any contractual agreements between the two.

You should be restored as the consumer of healthcare, and a consumer of insurance. Separately. You're the boss. Not the provider. Not the insurance company. That severs two parts of the mé·nage à trois. Then limit the government's involvement. They can regulate both industries in terms of quality and fraud prevention. Other than that, stay the **** out of it.

With the mé·nage à trois in place, they don't have to care about quality or price. There is no pressure on those things. They don't have to care how satisfied consumers are. That's why you wait in the waiting room of other schmucks, for 5 minutes with the doctor. And instead of paying the doctor for that 5 minutes, you're paying hella insurance premiums to make you feel like that 20 dollar copay makes it all worth it.

Break 'em up. And make the breakup hurt. They owe us that much. A neocon can't say stuff like that. GWB talked about competition with the same lips he used to "service" providers and insurers. Obamacare started as a GOP idea. It was cooked up by neocons and upstanding members of the chamber-o-commerce and thinktanks.

 

[oze]

Many places have the flu and covid vaccine in the same shot.

Never heard of that. Moderna is working on one but I guess it's not ready. Two separate jabs, but you can get both in the same visit, if you are so inclined.

 

[DragonGunner]

No covid or flu shots for me ever. Never will. Wife got out of flu shot but had to take flu shot. Told afterwards I heard they were putting the covid shot in them now also. Think you have to ask to find out. Not happy.

 

[tim87tr]

Many places have the flu and covid vaccine in the same shot.

I have heard that also and could that be the reason the nurse said she couldn't give just the flu shot? I was skeptical prior to the fear porn lockdown compliance exercise.

The insane amount of lies, probably all of it, and immense pressures put on people along with losing their jobs, should warn "thinking" people there's some major Gotchas in a medical industrialized system.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I heard they were putting the covid shot in them now also.

I have heard that also and could that be the reason the nurse said she couldn't give just the flu shot?

No. Just no. Not only have they not done this, but it would be blatantly illegal to do so without full disclosure. I'll get my annual flu shot, but no more Covid shots for me (only got the first 2, no boosters).

 

[d.kaufman]

I'll get my annual flu shot, but no more Covid shots for me (only got the first 2, no boosters).

It was nice knowing you

 

[Shadow01]

No. Just no. Not only have they not done this, but it would be blatantly illegal to do so without full disclosure. I'll get my annual flu shot, but no more Covid shots for me (only got the first 2, no boosters).

You mean like the perfectly safe covid vax that they pushed on us? Nothing illegal about the design, testing, results, or promotion of that vax. It was so above board and trustworthy everyone got the latest booster…

 

[tim87tr]

No. Just no. Not only have they not done this, but it would be blatantly illegal to do so without full disclosure. I'll get my annual flu shot, but no more Covid shots for me (only got the first 2, no boosters).

The whole covid vaccine debacle didn't have informed consent. Lied about everything. Time to trust them now?

I truly hope this fallout doesn't continue to get worse but I can't see how it'll improve in the next few years. All the COVID shots plus others are still available and being injected into anyone that is unaware, particularly children who don't even need it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It was so above board and trustworthy everyone got the latest booster…

Not everyone.

 

[Shadow01]

Not everyone.

then you are an anti government doubter

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The whole covid vaccine debacle didn't have informed consent. Lied about everything. Time to trust them now?

I truly hope this fallout doesn't continue to get worse but I can't see how it'll improve in the next few years. All the COVID shots plus others are still available and being injected into anyone that is unaware, particularly children who don't even need it.

There's still a difference between hiding harmful effects (wrong) and flat out lying about what is in a shot (flu shot) though. Both are wrong of course.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

then you are an anti government doubter

 

[oze]

then you are an anti government doubter

That's a very nice compliment!