Uvalde Texas Killing

[BigRed]

Yes, gun shops/owners/employees absolutely have that right.

Yep...
And then the doj and atf will send them "illegal guns" through an operation....maybe call it "Fast and Furious" or something like that.

 

[Creedmoor]

Agreed but until the mental health/Leo situation is addressed what would you do

I would have addressed the mental health long ago.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I would have addressed the mental health long ago.

Hindsight is 20/20. What would you do now.

 

[Creedmoor]

It's a gun, not a wedding cake so I think you would be OK.

(That’s a lie. I think you would be vulnerable to a civil rights lawsuit, but I would rather deal with that than arm someone who I think is a threat to decent people.)

Whats the Feeling one gets when you think one might be a threat to descent people?


Thats one heck of a slippery slope.

 

[churchmouse]

I would have addressed the mental health long ago.

Agreed.
That is a deep dark and winding rabbit hole as no one wants to step up and hold these people accountable. Even when the red flags turn into long range signal rockets.

 

[Creedmoor]

Hindsight is 20/20. What would you do now.

Its not hindsight for me at all, ive had this belief for decades now.

Freedom can be painfull.

 

[churchmouse]

Hindsight is 20/20. What would you do now.

Thats pretty much my original question.
We all know what started all of this and when it started.
We are in the here and now with a problem so wide and deep you cant see the entire thing.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Whats the Feeling one gets when you think one might be a threat to descent people?


Thats one heck of a slippery slope.

Doesn't matter. If the gun shop is uneasy about the buyer, it's a no-go. Not a damn thing the buyer can do about it (as it should be).

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Its not hindsight for me at all, ive had this belief for decades now.

Freedom can be painfull.

Didn't answer the question. We're dealing with the here and now. What would you do now?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I don't suppose that anybody in big media has considered that the murderer could have killed all those he shot with a revolver when you look at the time involved. It really has nothing to do with an AR-15 other than going back to old gun control argument.

Absolutely.

If I were a mad dog, an immoral monster, I could inflict those casualties with a claw hammer.

Make no mistake, there are groups that want to remove what many here would recognize as "citizens with traditional western cultural values".

Some groups are satisfied by pursuing this goal by playing the long game by targeting our youth through public education and media.

Other groups would be very satisfied with marching all of the "non progressives/heretics/ reprehensibles/ into the rice paddies for social justice.

I have heard this from their mouths. I am not suggesting panic.

What they want is the Rittenhouse incident x1,000 except without Kyle being armed and him being beaten to death and hanged from a light post as a warning to any who would stand up to the people's mob.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Whats the Feeling one gets when you think one might be a threat to descent people?


Thats one heck of a slippery slope.

Slippery slope, oh no!

You make your call and go with it.

 

[Creedmoor]

Agreed.
That is a deep dark and winding rabbit hole as no one wants to step up and hold these people accountable. Even when the red flags turn into long range signal rockets.

One of the huge problems since nics has been, doctors dont want to forward mental health problems to the State and the State doesn't want to forward information to nics for starters. Hence those with problems arnt prohibited and cruise through state and federal checks.
How many shooters in the last 20 years have bought from ffl's and with years of mental issues passed a nics check or checks.

Answer way to ****ing many.

 

[Creedmoor]

Doesn't matter. If the gun shop is uneasy about the buyer, it's a no-go. Not a damn thing the buyer can do about it (as it should be).

Im aware of how it works, so where does that stop?
They dont like your Trump hat?
Dont like the lederhosen you have on?
Dang thats a man in a dress, dont sell him that glock!!
Dont like some of the things a member posts here you dont agree with?
So some here post they wouldnt sell another member with license and pink for things they believe and post.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Im aware of how it works, so where does that stop?
They dont like your Trump hat?
Dont like the lederhosen you have on?
Dang thats a man in a dress, dont sell him that glock!!
Dont like some of the things a member posts here you dont agree with?
So some here post they wouldnt sell another member with license and pink for things they believe and post.

Yep, all those things. Freedom of choice. If you want to lose the sale, that's on you.

 

[Creedmoor]

Didn't answer the question. We're dealing with the here and now. What would you do now?

The same thing I would have done then,
Kookoodoodles belong in mental hospitals.

 

[churchmouse]

One of the huge problems since nics has been, doctors dont want to forward mental health problems to the State and the State doesn't want to forward information to nics for starters. Hence those with problems arnt prohibited and cruise through state and federal checks.
How many shooters in the last 20 years have bought from ffl's and with years of mental issues passed a nics check or checks.

Answer way to ****ing many.

True across the board. The Church shooter that was stopped by a neighbor was a known by the military as a full on whack job and they could have prevented at least part of this situation.
But in a state like Indiana its easy to buy a gun as there are some (and even members here) that are so anxious to sell/make a buck they give 2 who you are. They just want the money. Have no concerns as to what it will be used for. Human nature and a society that actually trains towards addiction to monetary gains.
Do I like money....you betcha I do but there are too many paths to make it that I avoid the ways.
Lacking a moral compass is an issue with way too many people these days. It has always been a problem but seems to have increased noticeably and with bad results.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Im aware of how it works, so where does that stop?
They dont like your Trump hat?
Dont like the lederhosen you have on?
Dang thats a man in a dress, dont sell him that glock!!
Dont like some of the things a member posts here you dont agree with?
So some here post they wouldnt sell another member with license and pink for things they believe and post.

It stops when we let a business decide how to run their own business.

Private individuals too.

 

[Creedmoor]

Yep, all those things. Freedom of choice. If you want to lose the sale, that's on you.

Thats hard to do when one owns a retail business.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The same thing I would have done then,
Kookoodoodles belong in mental hospitals.

I agree. But we have no mental hospitals now, or at least not enough.

 

[Creedmoor]

True across the board. The Church shooter that was stopped by a neighbor was a known by the military as a full on whack job and they could have prevented at least part of this situation.
But in a state like Indiana its easy to buy a gun as there are some (and even members here) that are so anxious to sell/make a buck they give 2 who you are. They just want the money. Have no concerns as to what it will be used for. Human nature and a society that actually trains towards addiction to monetary gains.
Do I like money....you betcha I do but there are too many paths to make it that I avoid the ways.
Lacking a moral compass is an issue with way too many people these days. It has always been a problem but seems to have increased noticeably and with bad results.

How do we look at a person and judge there moral compass?