Uvalde Texas Killing

[BigRed]

Very true. The exact same result could have been achieved with just about any firearm and and mag capacity limit.

I've been discussing this with someone who's a 2A butter. (I agree with the 2A but.....) They get too emotionally involved/attached at the outcome. "SOMETHING has to be done."

Yes it's horrifying and almost unimaginable. This world has pure evil in it. But the parties involved are just using this to push their agenda. Nothing more.

AMEN

 

[BigRed]

Considering how much time the killer was allowed alone in the classroom, he could have murdered those kids with a sharpened stick.

Yep

 

[jamil]

I do not dismiss it.

The thug in Buffalo was in contact with a "retired fbi agent" prior to his actions.

I do not believe in coincidences.

Why? Is nothing ever a coincidence? Or. Maybe the retired FBI dude is just a racist too.

 

[thompal]

If you can 1st get past the actual paid 1st responders to get into the fight.
Did I read correctly that they tazzed and cuffed people attempting to get their kids. WTAF.

I have a feeling that if a similar situation comes up, the parents won't be begging to be let in to save their kids. They will just go in, even if they have to fight their way in.

 

[thompal]

I have no idea but thought some here might....

Are the ceilings in a building like this "dropped" ceilings? Do the interior walls go all the way to the interior roof?

The cops weren't about to do that. They might have fallen and hurt themselves.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I do not know but if have had a recent check ran it only takes a few minutes if it has been a few years takes longer also seems that a lot of leos and former military get delayed

For myself it was the exact opposite. 1st one without any recent 4473s took a few minutes then proceed. 2nd a couple of weeks later was delayed. My wife on her first purchase was proceed within a few minutes. I think it's more the volume received at the time.

 

[actaeon277]

Very true. The exact same result could have been achieved with just about any firearm and mag capacity limit.

I've been discussing this with someone who's a 2A butter. (I agree with the 2A but.....) They get too emotionally involved/attached at the outcome. "SOMETHING has to be done."

Yes it's horrifying and almost unimaginable. This world has pure evil in it. But the parties involved are just using this to push their agenda. Nothing more.

"Something has to be done"
Okay.
Tell them, "That something is BAN CARS. After all, most of these shooters use cars/trucks to get to/from these shootings".

 

[Leadeye]

While high rate of fire submachine guns have been around for a while I'm wondering if their application in room entry like this has been considered. The old MAC-10 in 45 ACP has a rate up there with the MG-42, clearing a 30 round magazine in about 1.5 seconds.

The M-11 in .380 is even faster and can be fired with one hand with some practice.

 

[Bigtanker]

"Something has to be done"
Okay.
Tell them, "That something is BAN CARS. After all, most of these shooters use cars/trucks to get to/from these shootings".

But people that have cars use them responsibly so we can't do that. Why punish them for others actions?

add purple

 

[rooster]

While high rate of fire submachine guns have been around for a while I'm wondering if their application in room entry like this has been considered. The old MAC-10 in 45 ACP has a rate up there with the MG-42, clearing a 30 round magazine in about 1.5 seconds.

The M-11 in .380 is even faster and can be fired with one hand with some practice.

Many police departments already have 3 hole lowers/ rifles on “loan” from the feds. A friend who works for Vincennes police department got issued a beat up m16 when he started as part of the government 1033 program.

 

[Ingomike]

Why? Is nothing ever a coincidence? Or. Maybe the retired FBI dude is just a racist too.

When all is a coincidence nothing is…

 

[KLB]

While high rate of fire submachine guns have been around for a while I'm wondering if their application in room entry like this has been considered. The old MAC-10 in 45 ACP has a rate up there with the MG-42, clearing a 30 round magazine in about 1.5 seconds.

The M-11 in .380 is even faster and can be fired with one hand with some practice.

Probably not a good idea to fire something like that in a building full of people.

 

[chipbennett]

What scotus ruled on is nothing like this Barnum and Baily 3 ring Goat Circus we are experiencing. Nothing at all.

I agree. I'm withholding commentary because I'm so gobsmacked by what happened that anything I said would probably come across as needlessly inflammatory.

 

[tackdriver]

If I missed this in this long thread, sorry...

Did I hear the news right yesterday - the Incident Commander was a school police dept. chief?

Was he actually a school employee? Did he answer to the school board? You know, the same kind of board getting called on the carpet by parents all over the country? I don't know how a school police department works, but I'm now awfully curious.

I would at least think that his command authority could be quickly superseded by other agency commanders. I thought that's how it works everywhere else. Maybe I've gotten it all wrong again.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If I missed this in this long thread, sorry...

Did I hear the news right yesterday - the Incident Commander was a school police dept. chief?

Was he actually a school employee? Did he answer to the school board? You know, the same kind of board getting called on the carpet by parents all over the country? I don't know how a school police department works, but I'm now awfully curious.

I would at least think that his command authority could be quickly superseded by other agency commanders. I thought that's how it works everywhere else. Maybe I've gotten it all wrong again.

No, I believe it was the Uvalde police department chief.

 

[wcd]

No, I believe it was the Uvalde police department chief.

Additionally I believe this was possibly department that was solely a school district dept?

 

[Creedmoor]

The cops weren't about to do that. They might have fallen and hurt themselves.

Tough looking bunch in a picture.

 

[rooster]

If I missed this in this long thread, sorry...

Did I hear the news right yesterday - the Incident Commander was a school police dept. chief?

Was he actually a school employee? Did he answer to the school board? You know, the same kind of board getting called on the carpet by parents all over the country? I don't know how a school police department works, but I'm now awfully curious.

I would at least think that his command authority could be quickly superseded by other agency commanders. I thought that's how it works everywhere else. Maybe I've gotten it all wrong again.

You are seeing that right
“
McGraw identified the incident commander as Pete Arredondo, chief of police of the Uvalde Consolidated School District.”

Police on Scene Made Decision to Wait Before Entering Texas School

www.voanews.com

 

[Creedmoor]

Many police departments already have 3 hole lowers/ rifles on “loan” from the feds. A friend who works for Vincennes police department got issued a beat up m16 when he started as part of the government 1033 program.

We have 4 A1's in our small dept through the program.
They were new in box Colts.

 

[rooster]

Not a huge fan of the NYT but sounds like the border patrol union president gave them an interview.

Also of note the NYT is sticking to the original 11:33 as the first 911 call which means it actually took a full hour to end Ramos’s life after the shooting started.


“Brandon Judd, head of the Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union, said that in no case would Border Patrol agents have sought to assume command themselves.”

“During Chief Arredondo’s two years, he expanded the department’s tiny ranks, adding two officers last year.

Also during those two years, the school district held at least two trainings for how to deal with a gunman opening fire in a school.”

As Shooting Continued, Officers Questioned Commander’s Decision to Wait (Published 2022)

After several agencies responded to a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, leadership fell to a small school district department created only four years ago.

www.nytimes.com