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US doctor with Ebola in Atlanta for treatment
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Wild Deuce
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I've risked my life for others more than once, and would do it again. Don't turn this into some kind of sacrificial lamb event. It's not. It's a reckless tragedy at best. There's always some cause for bleeding hearts to get behind. You can't save the world. I'd nuke that whole area where the outbreak is to save our country from a outbreak.
Though, it appears a death toll "as low as 34%" is considered 'acceptable' to some.
This is a disease that was unknown in the U.S. UNTIL these two brought it here.
IF "These two American aid workers understand the value of human life" as claimed, then they would NOT have allowed themselves to be brought to the U.S. and potentially endanger other 'fellow' Americans to a disease for which there is (as yet) NO known cure and which kills at a rate "as high as 90%". So, either they do NOT "understand the value of human life" OR chose to ignore "the value of human life" of their fellow Americans. Can't have it both ways, sorry.
BTW, Brantly was ambulatory, under his own power, which demonstrates that his condition was not 'so desperate' that he needed to be rushed back to the U.S. Meaning they could have well been treated in Liberia, where they are already knowledgeable in treating the disease. A stone-cold 'tactic' of the Liar-In-Chiefs Administration, the Liar-In-Chief being now well-known for his disdain and disregard for Americans. THIS stunt is simply further evidence.
Further, Brantly and Writebol are the two (or two of) the world's leading experts on Ebola. Therefore they KNEW the endangerment they were potentially creating coming back to the U.S.
And yet, came anyway. So it would be evident that both Brantly and Writebol "would only think of preserving their own health" rather than being "compassionate". So much for "They understand human suffering" when they, in fact, are risking creating exactly that among their fellow U.S. citizens.
As to the 'argument' that there's little risk, the response is the same. If there's such 'little risk' then why couldn't they be treated at the SAME facility which they treated OTHER Ebola victims? WHY bring them here if they were 'so successful' in Liberia? OR, perhaps they weren't 'so successful', which simply proves that bringing Brantly and Writebol back to the U.S. is an even worse idea.
"Compassion eludes their darkened hearts"? Really?
Plenty of real compassion in this thread, and it comes ONLY from those that are compassionate enough to challenge the sanity in bringing Brantly and Writebol to the United States, infected with Ebola. Compassion for fellow Americans; for friends, neighbors, and loved ones that now, because of the stupidity displayed in recklessly bringing these two back to the States, face a quite real, lethal disease heretofore unknown here.The ones who are truly "to be pitied" are those who lack understanding that the risk isn't only to themselves, but to others they care about, as well. Showing no concern for the safety and well-being of others whom one 'claims' they care about isn't 'pitiful', it's pathetic.
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HeadlessRoland
Shooter
These brave Americans will be and have been totally isolated. No other country in the world has the capability to deal with diseases like this like America. Where they will be staying has been designed in conjunction with the CDC to handle infectious exotic diseases. Anyone who says with their false bravado that they would let these people die in Liberia - where there is barely bleach to disinfect gloves, anyone who says they would nuke entire cities from orbit, anyone panicking about two people flying in on state-of-the-art isolative wards and kept under care in negative-pressure almost-biosafety-level-4 isolation wards designed and constructed for this explicit purpose - congratulations: you are the monsters decent society fears; you are the silent audience and witnesses to evil; you are the reason I prepare against evil.
When you blindly panic and start talking about letting good people die when we have the technical ability to save them, or actively wiping out entire populations because there's fear about minuscule possibilities and thereby claim the moral right to slaughter people in the pre-emptive name of some nebulous greater good which somehow supposedly grants you the moral authority to ride roughshod over the individual, you sound less like my countrymen, more like despots; less like fellow Hoosiers, more like Soviets; less like upright Americans, more like tyrants; less like Jesus of Nazareth, and more like Josef Stalin and Pol Pot and Heinrich Himmler - all of which is supremely frightening and disappointing to someone who expects a certain minimum of civility and respect for human life and the individual in the sole country in the face of this planet that was created explicitly to champion the individual over the collective, the minority over the majority, and liberty over tyranny.
When you blindly panic and start talking about letting good people die when we have the technical ability to save them, or actively wiping out entire populations because there's fear about minuscule possibilities and thereby claim the moral right to slaughter people in the pre-emptive name of some nebulous greater good which somehow supposedly grants you the moral authority to ride roughshod over the individual, you sound less like my countrymen, more like despots; less like fellow Hoosiers, more like Soviets; less like upright Americans, more like tyrants; less like Jesus of Nazareth, and more like Josef Stalin and Pol Pot and Heinrich Himmler - all of which is supremely frightening and disappointing to someone who expects a certain minimum of civility and respect for human life and the individual in the sole country in the face of this planet that was created explicitly to champion the individual over the collective, the minority over the majority, and liberty over tyranny.
hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
A few things here...
Support Dr. Kent Brantly
http://www.facebook.com/supportkent
two sites I put together.
guess what happens if there are no treatment centers and doctors for the Ebola patients? They wander around their community and an outbreak becomes a pandemic at your front door.
Ebola virus does not have wings. It does not fly from person to person. He is in proper barrier isolation.
Ebola is something I am terrified of from a bio warfare standpoint. Bringing him here allows CDC to use him for research as well as help treat him. We need a vaccine. We need a treatment.
He's a saint and a hero. TriggerTime, you trashed him for going to "play" with Ebola patients. Do you say the same of fire fighters injured on the job? He was already in Africa doing mission work and relocated there when this became an issue. There are those who run away from disasters, and those who run to help. Your irrational fear makes it OK to "nuke" the region and kill tens of thousands to protect your country? Abosulte garbage.
The area he is now in was designed by the CDC to quarantine and treat their employees who get sick from terrible pathogens they study. This is one of four facilities in the nation that are designed like that.
Bottom line: bring him home, use him to help develop a vaccine or treatment, and think before you speak on an Internet forum.
Support Dr. Kent Brantly
http://www.facebook.com/supportkent
two sites I put together.
guess what happens if there are no treatment centers and doctors for the Ebola patients? They wander around their community and an outbreak becomes a pandemic at your front door.
Ebola virus does not have wings. It does not fly from person to person. He is in proper barrier isolation.
Ebola is something I am terrified of from a bio warfare standpoint. Bringing him here allows CDC to use him for research as well as help treat him. We need a vaccine. We need a treatment.
He's a saint and a hero. TriggerTime, you trashed him for going to "play" with Ebola patients. Do you say the same of fire fighters injured on the job? He was already in Africa doing mission work and relocated there when this became an issue. There are those who run away from disasters, and those who run to help. Your irrational fear makes it OK to "nuke" the region and kill tens of thousands to protect your country? Abosulte garbage.
The area he is now in was designed by the CDC to quarantine and treat their employees who get sick from terrible pathogens they study. This is one of four facilities in the nation that are designed like that.
Bottom line: bring him home, use him to help develop a vaccine or treatment, and think before you speak on an Internet forum.
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hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Sure sounds a lot like HIV. Can you believe those conceited jerks are allowed to walk around our streets?
America to remove HIV visa ban after Briton's protest | World news | The Observer
AIDS 2012 Visa and Travel Information
From UpToDate (a medical publication)
This was one person, in South African hospital, out of 300 exposed to a NON-RECOGNIZED ebola patient.
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hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Even the best safety protocols can fail. People won't trust the government with cleaning a cat's litter box but they will trust the government to keep a disease with no known cure contained. Where's the logic there?
hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Yes, everything can fail, nothing is perfect. And yet the world still turns.
"The government" as an entity making mistakes is different than professionals facing potential contamination with an incurable disease. If we only did things that had zero risk our population would be zero in a generation (no sex)
He has been ill for over a week. The fact that he's walking in his second week is a great prognostic sign for him surviving. This is pure speculation, but I suspect his symptoms are improving or at least stable and they feel he can survive if given full support. If he was bleeding out from hemorrhagic shock they would not have transported him.
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Not too surprising, we have our share of aholes.
Some of you guys live in La la land. You believe that greater good bs. The guy is no hero. Sorry not a hero at all.
hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Was Mother Teresa? Just wondering what your cutoff for hero status is.
definition of hero:
Do you agree with that definition? I admire him for his courage to go into that hellhole and treat those with this awful illness. Seems rather outstanding and noble.
hornadylnl
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You first have to believe that those he was helping were human beings.
I understand your fear, but what makes someone a hero? I don't see where anyone called him a hero, but I may have missed it. You said you have put your life on the line for others; who exactly? Are you a hero? If someone in your unit (assuming yours was military service) were to have contracted this disease while performing his duty, what would you want to happen with him? Like most, I believe you are fearful of what you don't understand, so the obvious response is to "turn the place into glass!"
