US doctor with Ebola in Atlanta for treatment

[billt]

One of the positions is logically consistent, the other is grossly self serving...

One of the positions is SAFER, the other is taking a GREATER RISK with American lives. Taking them to an isolated base in Greenland, or some other low populated area is not "self serving"........It's smart. And before all of you experts want to start talking about "risk" and "logical consistency" remember, it's 2 doctors we're talking about here who caught it in the first place.

They thought they had the risk under control, didn't they? How did that work out? This is no smarter than what the government is doing with dispersing all of these illegal kids all over the country without medical examinations or vaccinations. Many have TB and other infectious diseases. I suppose you think they've got that, "under control" as well? No matter how you want to look at doing this under this Administration, it comes up stupid. Just like the rest of their decisions involving health care in this country. And besides, with all the money we've GIVEN our so called "allies" over the last several decades, they should be doing this for FREE. They owe us more favors than could possibly be counted. If you doubt that, get off the Internet long enough to read a history book.

With they're current Muslim population, they stand to endure the biggest threat from ISIS. And what are they doing about it? More nothing. We'll once again go it alone and try to save those 40,000 odd Christians stranded in northern Iraq, While they warm a chair with their collective asses, "discussing the matter". Don't you dare start in with this silly bull about "crapping on our allies". Those gutless Europeans have done for decades. It's why the whole European Union is about to sink in all of their socialistic slop. Anytime there is help required in the world we're there in abundance. They're not. And now all of a sudden we're "crapping on them"? Don't make me puke.

 

[churchmouse]

I also agree with the person above who said that a damaging outbreak is far more likely to come from some dip weasel getting infected in Africa and getting on a plane, than it EVER is from bringing someone home under controlled conditions. THAT scenario actually DOES concern me right now with the outbreak going on.

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[Consciouscitizen18]

Lets be real though...if the doctor ACTUALLY had Ebola how could she just open up the back doors of the ambulance and walk into the hospital? Read the symptoms of Ebola. Not only would she not be able to walk in, there would be hazmat everywhere and probably a bubble tunnel from the EMT all the way to her room.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Lets be real though...if the doctor ACTUALLY had Ebola how could she just open up the back doors of the ambulance and walk into the hospital? Read the symptoms of Ebola. Not only would she not be able to walk in, there would be hazmat everywhere and probably a bubble tunnel from the EMT all the way to her room.

40% survive Ebola, are they forever unable to walk? Why hazmat externally when he was in a contained suit? May want to reconsider your thought process.

 

[avboiler11]

It is amazing how many infectious disease experts and virologists are evidently out there in the interwebs...

 

[Consciouscitizen18]

40% survive Ebola, are they forever unable to walk? Why hazmat externally when he was in a contained suit? May want to reconsider your thought process.

Ebola is a nasty disease and has a 90% case mortality rate. Why hazmat externally? Because I already used my thought process. The plane the patient was in was in an ebola exposed environment and the hazmat suit was in an ebola exposed environment...therefore the plane and car were potentially carrying the virus. With that being the case, wouldn't an external hazmat be necessary?

 

[bingley]

Argue with billt if you want to know what ebola feels like. In fact, if you're reading this message, we're coming to quarantine you.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Ebola is a nasty disease and has a 90% case mortality rate. Why hazmat externally? Because I already used my thought process. The plane the patient was in was in an ebola exposed environment and the hazmat suit was in an ebola exposed environment...therefore the plane and car were potentially carrying the virus. With that being the case, wouldn't an external hazmat be necessary?

SOME Ebola has a 90% death rate. This outbreak they are estimating 60%. Please explain again how Ebola stops you from walking. Are you saying it's a lie that he had Ebola?

 

[ViperJock]

SOME Ebola has a 90% death rate. This outbreak they are estimating 60%. Please explain again how Ebola stops you from walking. Are you saying it's a lie that he had Ebola?

He won't be able to answer you. He already "used (his) thought process."

 

[actaeon277]

US doctor with Ebola to be released from hospital soon

 

[Consciouscitizen18]

SOME Ebola has a 90% death rate. This outbreak they are estimating 60%. Please explain again how Ebola stops you from walking. Are you saying it's a lie that he had Ebola?

Oh! So only 6 out of 10 people die? That's not that bad I guess..

Are you trying to down play the threat of Ebola? I'm taking into consideration everything that happened as he went into the US as I was skeptical. BTW, the Black Death had a mortality rate of 30-45% so we are talking about a pretty deadly virus. So with that said, I was skeptical #1 that they even brought the patient into Atlanta. Also go watch the video of him entering the hospital in his hazmat...hazmat suits are not made to walk over sharp objects. He's walking across GRAVEL. Gravel could easily penetrate the suit. If he walks into the hospital with a hole in the suit; Ebola has been exposed. You would think they would take these type of things into consideration to keep it contained. If you're trying to paint on my back that I don't think he had Ebola, you're lying. I'm saying that they didn't take near the number of precautions they should've. Are you saying it makes sense to walk over gravel in a hazmat suit carrying a deadly virus?

Also, go watch the video of the second patient. You want to know how Ebola prevents you from walking? Then ask her why was taken in on a stretcher. Don't downplay the virus and it's symptoms and pretend it isn't capable of keeping you from walking because it most certainly is.

 

[avboiler11]

Also, go watch the video of the second patient. You want to know how Ebola prevents you from walking? Then ask her why was taken in on a stretcher.

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with her 1. getting the experimental serum later than the first patient who was able to walk into Emory or 2. getting air-evacuated to first-world treatment more than a half week later.

 

[finnegan]

consciouscitizen18: I too work in a hospital. Patient #1 was in two suits, for one; from everything I've seen. His first suit that had the respirator was under a second suit. I think it was a grave oversite to not tape up some plastic between the ambulance and the entrance, but that being said they vastly overcompensated for a droplet-borne disease.
Patient two: Well, I have nothing on that one. That patient came within a couple feet of a security guard with no hazmat at all. She was in much worse condition, and also had no plastic contained corridor for the entrance.
The proximity of other ambulances is also a bit unnerving to me, but at the end of the day, the CDC has absolutely no reason, at all, to take any risks that they feel are out of bounds. The reason you encourage a patient to walk to not contaminate any more equipment than is absolutely necessary. A contaminated stretcher has the potential to spread far, far more people to the disease than a walkway.

 

[Consciouscitizen18]

consciouscitizen18: I too work in a hospital. Patient #1 was in two suits, for one; from everything I've seen. His first suit that had the respirator was under a second suit. I think it was a grave oversite to not tape up some plastic between the ambulance and the entrance, but that being said they vastly overcompensated for a droplet-borne disease.
Patient two: Well, I have nothing on that one. That patient came within a couple feet of a security guard with no hazmat at all. She was in much worse condition, and also had no plastic contained corridor for the entrance.
The proximity of other ambulances is also a bit unnerving to me, but at the end of the day, the CDC has absolutely no reason, at all, to take any risks that they feel are out of bounds. The reason you encourage a patient to walk to not contaminate any more equipment than is absolutely necessary. A contaminated stretcher has the potential to spread far, far more people to the disease than a walkway.

That's a relieving insight, didn't know patient #1 was in two hazmats. And I've never thought of a contaminated stretcher in that way but yeah it does make sense that it could contaminate more than just walking in. Hopefully CDC did their job and everything was, is, and will be contained but I think people would feel better if they knew patient 1 was in two hazmats...I was really baffled thinking that they just sent him in 1 hazmat and no plastic corridor.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Oh! So only 6 out of 10 people die? That's not that bad I guess..


Also, go watch the video of the second patient. You want to know how Ebola prevents you from walking? Then ask her why was taken in on a stretcher. Don't downplay the virus and it's symptoms and pretend it isn't capable of keeping you from walking because it most certainly is.

You claimed he couldn't have Ebola because he walked. I said that was crap. I'm downplaying nothing.

 

[finnegan]

I agree. At first, i had the same knee jerk "WTF!" until I saw the bulge at his lower back under the suit, which has to be the filtration system for the the respirator. You really can't get much more "overkill" on safety than putting someone in a tuberculosis proof suit and then making them wear another suit.

 

[OakRiver]

US doctor with Ebola to be released from hospital soon

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[Consciouscitizen18]

You claimed he couldn't have Ebola because he walked. I said that was crap. I'm downplaying nothing.

I placed emphasis on the word actually because it was a very amateur way to take somebody into a hospital, never claimed he "couldn't" have Ebola. Have you not done any research yourself? It seems like all speculation. If you read any interviews of the doctor who caught it you would know that Ebola basically handicaps you because he goes into detail of even holding the hands of suffering patients who were laying on their death beds from pain, not up walking around. You completely down played it saying Ebola only has a 60% death rate...which is at the low end of the spectrum and also 15% higher than the Black Plague so no I wouldn't have expected an Ebola patient to walk into the hospital over a gravel walkway that could puncture a hazmat suit. Seemed like a very amateur way to take in somebody carrying Ebola. Do you really think they took all the precautions they could having him walk across gravel? You may want to reconsider your thought process.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Lets be real though...if the doctor AcTUALLY had Ebola how could she just open up the back doors of the ambulance and walk into the hospital? Read the symptoms of Ebola. Not only would she not be able to walk in,

I placed emphasis on the word actually because it was a very amateur way to take somebody into a hospital, never claimed he "couldn't" have Ebola.

You stated if he had Ebola he would not be able to walk. I'm done here.

 

[Consciouscitizen18]

You stated if he had Ebola he would not be able to walk. I'm done here.

You're too closed minded to reason with.