Trump caves

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not certain he "caved". In fact, my opinion is that this was a tactical move.

This is how I see it:
It started with drawing the proverbial 'line in the sand' - Build the wall.
He baited them by saying he would own the shutdown.
This gave them an air of confidence to hold their position and allow the shutdown to happen.
I don't think they expected it to last as long as it did however.
Throughout the shutdown, at the risk of losing his base, he continually shifted his position culminating in him completely backing down and giving in to the democrats.
This made it appear that they won.
What really happened though?
He forced Nancy and Chuck to go full retard.
He made them choose between not only American citizens but DACA recipients too.
When they chose to stand their ground, they chose politics over people.
You may not see it but the are now millions of people who once stood with Nancy and Chuck are now questioning their loyalties.

The real question is; WHY?
I think it's a set up.
He gave them exactly what they wanted.
What happens over the next 3 weeks?
The SOTU should take place Tuesday but Nancy already said that likely won't happen.
What happens if Nancy and Chuck continue to refuse border wall funding?
Eventually, 3 weeks will pass and we will be facing another shutdown.
Who will be af fault this time?
Can Trump negotiate down any further?

We watched Trump give and give to the point he gave them exactly what they want. Now we are about to witness 3 weeks of more one sided negotiations. At the end of 3 weeks, if need be, he will declare a national emergency and let the Mil build the wall. It will immediately be challenged in the courts but he's already set the stage and the courts will quickly studder with Trump.

That brings me to part 2. I think something else happened as well. My guess is RBG will retire/ pass away over the next 3 wks. thus opening up another SCOTUS pick. Conservatives will have complete control of the SC and he will win the decision 7 - 2.

Obviously, this is all speculation but it stands to reason that something is going on behind the scenes the public isn't privy to. These behind the scene moves are where the magic happens. Guess we shall see Tuesday.

Trump isn't that savvy to craft a plan like that. He blinked, at that's pretty much the end of it. For all the negative press he's getting from even right-wing media, it's obvious he's seen as having caved to Pelosi.

 

[Punkinhead]

Trump isn't that savvy to craft a plan like that. He blinked, at that's pretty much the end of it. For all the negative press he's getting from even right-wing media, it's obvious he's seen as having caved to Pelosi.

Bull****! He's playing 15D chess and she walked right into his trap!

 

[KG1]

The anti-wallers would have you believe that stepping up enforcement of laws already on the books is a more effective strategy. Who comes up with ideas like that? What if they tried to extend that thinking to other issues like gun control? Leave employers alone and build the wall!

Okay enough with the cute condescending sarcasm routine.

What makes you think supporters of the wall as part of a comprehensive border security plan don’t also advocate enforcing laws that are already on the books?

Give it a break already.

 

[Punkinhead]

Okay enough with the cute condescending sarcasm routine.

What makes you think supporters of the wall as part of a comprehensive border security plan don’t also advocate enforcing laws that are already on the books?

Give it a break already.

I must have missed the part where in the past two years Ryan and McConnell passed a spending bill with money for increased enforcement against employers and Trump signed it into law and directed the Justice Dept to put on a full court press against employers hiring illegals.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I must have missed the part where in the past two years Ryan and McConnell passed a spending bill with money for increased enforcement against employers and Trump signed it into law and directed the Justice Dept to put on a full court press against employers hiring illegals.

Hey! Somebody has to work at the president's golf clubs... just don't go looking to hard because then they'll have to fire them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/trump-golf-club-fires-workers.html

 

[drillsgt]

Unsubstainable economic policies, unwillingness to confront traditional enemies, inability to take counsel from cabinet members, willingness to take cues from Fox talking heads, and the ease that he is willing to lie to the American people.

None of us have been alive when any administration has had sustainable economic policies (the only debt free year being 1835-1836). We did pretty good post WWII with our proportion of debt to GDP but it started going back up around 1980 and spiking around 2010. Until we get serious and cut a swath through the federal government and all the spending we'll just continue to kick the can down the road.

 

[Leadeye]

I see this as more of an organizational move by big dem money rather than Nancy's idea. Earlier there was noise from some dems about putting her out to pasture, and changing the party's direction. One of her supporters and possible heirs was the guy knocked off by the new NYC socialist. Going full court press with big media on the wall/shutdown issue will keep the old guard in power for the time being.

 

[NKBJ]

Unsubstainable economic policies, unwillingness to confront traditional enemies, inability to take counsel from cabinet members, willingness to take cues from Fox talking heads, and the ease that he is willing to lie to the American people.

Thank you for the straight forward response.
I was wondering what your view of the world (your reality) might be and your views on the president seemed a possible key to gaining some insight.

 

[KG1]

I must have missed the part where in the past two years Ryan and McConnell passed a spending bill with money for increased enforcement against employers and Trump signed it into law and directed the Justice Dept to put on a full court press against employers hiring illegals.

Yeah and who are these prominent “anti-wallers” that you speak of that are seriously in favor of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books?

Which Democrats would that be?

 

[Punkinhead]

Yeah and who are these prominent “anti-wallers” that you speak of that are seriously in favor of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books?

Which Democrats would that be?

No democrats. This is one of those rare areas where Republicans and Democrats are in complete agreement - no increased funding for enforcement against employers hiring illegal aliens.

 

[Twangbanger]

Thank you for your considered response.

You do not seem to grasp the magnitude of the blank check you are suggesting here.

Every country in the world has poor people. Hypothetically: if America shared a border with a country richer than us, with better welfare benefits - at least some finite number of Americans with cars and cellphones would want to migrate there! It's human nature. And the same can be said for Western Europe.

We engage politically with tons of nations. All of them have poor people. All of them can claim we've effed them over, somehow. All of them have citizens who want - and feel entitled to - the American standard of life. There is no end to it.

I am not a Catholic social worker, and I do not care about the supposed morality of this. I care about the practical implications of what people like you are suggesting. You are talking about extending a blank welfare check to the citizens of myriad poor nations south of us, that some or another US administration has meddled in at some time.

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"Need" is infinite. America is finite. ​

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I do not think you grasp the practical impact of the United States telegraphing that sort of "compassion invitation" to the impoverished world.

 

[PaulF]

Yeah and who are these prominent “anti-wallers” that you speak of that are seriously in favor of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books?

Which Democrats would that be?

I'm anti-wall. I'm not a Democrat.

I don't think the answer is a stronger border. I think the answer is a stronger Mexico. I think Mexico is being terribly handicapped by awful US immigration and drug policy that ultimately make it less attractive for international industrial and commercial investment than Asia. I think the US can influence a big change in that dynamic.

Business is unwilling to invest in Mexico mainly due to the corruption that exists there. The corruption is fueled by organized crime's access to larger amounts of money than the Mexican government's own resources. That's largely our fault. America's appetite for mind-altering drugs, coupled with the US government's stubborn belief in Prohibition - despite its repeated own failures in that very enterprise - fuels a basically invincible criminal industrial empire that is well-equipped to keep US and Mexican authorities at arm's length.

Removing marijuana from scheduling under the Controlled substances act and regulating it similarly to alcohol and tobacco would create immediate competitive pressure on the cartel's primary source of income. It costs the US nothing...of course it means slaughtering modern Statist's favorite sacred cow, and I think that's what keeps it from happening.

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[CampingJosh]

We send them almost 70 million in foreign aid (Honduras), that should be the end of our 'responsibility'.

Hillary's decision as Secretary of State to send that money to the general who was overthrowing the legitimate government is exactly why there are refugees. We funded their problem; it's hard to say that our "responsibility" is to fund a coup and then ignore the outcome.

I am not a Catholic social worker, and I do not care about the supposed morality of this. I care about the practical implications of what people like you are suggesting. You are talking about extending a blank welfare check to the citizens of myriad poor nations south of us, that some or another US administration has meddled in at some time.

"Need" is infinite. America is finite. ​

I do not think you grasp the practical impact of the United States telegraphing that sort of "compassion invitation" to the impoverished world.

You seem to be assuming the worst possible form of open borders rather than what I actually stated as my view. I'm not trying to provide government charity to anyone, either. Here's what I actually said on the topic:

I'm in favor of something pretty close to open borders, but it has to be paired with a significant cutback in our current socialism. Being physically in the US should guarantee you opportunity: nothing more and nothing less. If you can afford to stay here, then it's because you are adding to the economy and society, and I'm happy to have you.

 

[NKBJ]

5G tracking is the answer.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Absolutely!

Never let a failure to clarify go to waste.

 

[Trigger Time]

Unsubstainable economic policies, unwillingness to confront traditional enemies, inability to take counsel from cabinet members, willingness to take cues from Fox talking heads, and the ease that he is willing to lie to the American people.

His opinion not mine guys, but the above things seem to not be as threatening to our country as illegal murderers and gangs and drug dealers and people who run away from accident scenes never to be seen again. They're ghosts

This is why the lefts mindset is so ****ed up. Their arguements are delusions. Yep sorry Kut but you are being delusional

 

[Thor]

[h=1]Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - NumbersUSA.com[/h]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

 

[Kutnupe14]

His opinion not mine guys, but the above things seem to not be as threatening to our country as illegal murderers and gangs and drug dealers and people who run away from accident scenes never to be seen again. They're ghosts

This is why the lefts mindset is so ****ed up. Their arguements are delusions. Yep sorry Kut but you are being delusional

We shall see, my friend. I think Trump's best hope is to not get re-elected, because if he gets another 4 years, the wheels are going to fall off this clown car presidency. Assuming he isn't ousted from office first.

 

[KG1]

I'm anti-wall. I'm not a Democrat.

I don't think the answer is a stronger border. I think the answer is a stronger Mexico. I think Mexico is being terribly handicapped by awful US immigration and drug policy that ultimately make it less attractive for international industrial and commercial investment than Asia. I think the US can influence a big change in that dynamic.

Business is unwilling to invest in Mexico mainly due to the corruption that exists there. The corruption is fueled by organized crime's access to larger amounts of money than the Mexican government's own resources. That's largely our fault. America's appetite for mind-altering drugs, coupled with the US government's stubborn belief in Prohibition - despite its repeated own failures in that very enterprise - fuels a basically invincible criminal industrial empire that is well-equipped to keep US and Mexican authorities at arm's length.

Removing marijuana from scheduling under the Controlled substances act and regulating it similarly to alcohol and tobacco would create immediate competitive pressure on the cartel's primary source of income. It costs the US nothing...of course it means slaughtering modern Statist's favorite sacred cow, and I think that's what keeps it from happening.

Your points are not without merit. Like I said before. I’m for strategic barrier placements as part of a comprehensive border security plan. That’s only one part.

I’m also for enforcing current immigration law.

I am not simply border wall myopic. I’m for a multifaceted border security plan and comprehensive legal immigration policies.