Trump 2024 — The second term

[printcraft]

No, this is the result of everyone's violent rhetoric. TBF, I'm really surprised Biden is making it out unscathed.

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The violent rhetoric is almost entirely from the left.

 

[Ziggidy]

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

I keep hearing people whine about how the Republicans this or not this, used to be, far right like the far left. Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Bottom line is the entire world is changing and although I do not like what I see, I must make the best informed decision I can to hang on to whatever foundation we may have left. Do I like what I see on either side? Is either side perfect? No to both. Knowing that, I look at the best possible person who can get the job done that I see is best for our future.

Do I bash or talk negative about the things I do not like or do I talk about the things that I think will help the best? The left LOVES listing to all the people who bash Trump but they say they will still vote for him! Why, because the negative points YOU whine about are talking points they pick up on. Say then enough and you eventually can indoctrinate some into voting against Trump.

EVERYONE needs to be lifting up Trump (or who ever else can help this country). We need to be the positive talking points for all to hear so we may sway others to vote for him. The same people are drooling at the bit at the thought of an opportunity to point out someone's weak points at the expense of our future.

We are weeks away from the election. The 2 runners are final. At this point the debate or discussion about who is fit or not should be far behind us all. At this time we should be highlighting the positive impact we can have on our country and proud of that. You just may sway an undecided to vote. As it is right now, some of the rhetoric I read here is nothing more than ammo for the enemy and certainly will not sway anyone to vote.

 

[jamil]

Curious who these Republican warmongers are in your view.

We can start with every Republican voting to send yet more money to Ukraine. And by that I mean pumping more money into the military industrial complex.

It's not our war, even though we kinda stoked it by sending Kuntala to Ukraine to talk about letting them join NATO, knowing full well that would set Putin off. The US could stop the war now. But that would shut down the pipeline of cash to military contractors.

Those warmonger Republicans are not putting America first. Pence for example said that our domestic problems aren't his concern. He cares more about Ukraine. I mean, we broke it; we should fix it. But fixing it does not look to me like pumping endless cash into to Lockheed Martin.

I grabbed names - Nixon didn't seem right.


I stopped... eh, for the most part. I still like to hear what the other side thinks. Good to get the blood pressure up every now and then.

I've always thought that it's good to keep listening to what everyone is saying. It helps keep bubbles from forming in your thinking. But anymore, it's all just propaganda. What they're saying is nonsense.

 

[jamil]

Border walls? He never delivered on his promise.

That wasn't the point. Border walls was the policy. Congress wouldn't give him the money for it, because, even the Republicans like to have clean pools and manicured estate grounds. Who's gonna keep their lawns mowed if we stop illegal immigration. Who's gonna pluck the chickens?

The point was, border walls as a policy separated him from the political trad cons.

I don't like his foreign policy - it's purely reactionary. He does everything Democrats don't purely out of some emotional bias. Plus, he seems to have an affinity toward authoritarian regimes and personalities, e.g. Putin, Orban.

What? Did you even get out of bed during his term? We had a relatively peaceful 4 years. I don't agree that his foreign policy was purely reactionary. It was America-first. As it should be.

You're making up vague complaints here. What, specifically, did Trump do that is so radically different from what other Republicans have done other than pursuing policies that put America first? And why is that radical right wing?

I more dislike the cult of personality surrounding him more than he himself. To he followers he can do no wrong. No politician is right on everything yet his followers seem incapable of viewing him critically and decry anyone who takes a close look at him as infected with TDS.

I've no disagreements there. But, the line between applying critical thinking to his actions and just swallowing all the manure the establishment spreads over everything he said or does.

Oh come on - every you have to admit the GOP moved right - Greene, Bobert, DeSantis, etc.

********. Greene is a dingbat. Bobert is a dingbat. There have always been dingbats in the party. Palin was/is a dingbat. The ding bats are getting elected because ordinary Americans are frustrated with standard cookie cutter Republicans like Mike Pence who basically just play the Washington Generals against the Globe Trotters. I wouldn't characterize that as radically further right.

It's not radical, it's desperation because we have men in the boxing ring beating the **** out of women. I could go through the long list of absurdity that's just being accepted by people as if they're hypnotized into involuntary members of ClownWorld™.

And what is it about DeSantis that you think is so radically right wing? Name the policy that makes him the whitest of nationalists. Because he stood up to some establishment idiots more effectively than other Republicans have? Because he's banning books from elementary school libraries that explicitly illustrate how to suck other boys' dicks?

No. Tell me what these radical right wing policies are that exemplify how far right the right has become, since, say, the 1960s.

 

[jamil]

He's whatever it takes to get elected (or into office any way possible). One need only look at his past to see his leftist leanings. He figured out fast that he could become a right wing messiah and adeptly changed his image. So, at least I have to give him kudos there, I guess.

Yes. Trump is a politician. I'm not surprised though that it's extra special bad when Trump does it than when every other politician who's run for office did it. I suspect that you might also believe that Trump called the white nationalists of Charlottesville "very fine people".

I suppose discarding the pro-life stance is a move to a bigger tent.

Trump has never actually been on the pro-life bandwagon, as far as I can tell. But I do think that making it an issue for states to decide was a compromise he could live with.

I'd really wish were could open up the GOP to legal immigrants since they, on a majority, hold to traditional Christian values.

Are you sure you've given up NPR? Because I don't think Trump is against legal immigration. He's made it clear, despite the media's gaslighting, that he's against illegal immigration. I think by and large, most Republicans aren't against legal immigration as long as the immigrants coming in are compatible with the existing cultures in the US.

If you hate America, we don't want you coming here. That's not a radical position on immigration. It's not racist as many NPR'ers think. It's simply common sense. If you hate America, and hate Americans and their way of life, why would you want to immigrate here? To change the culture? Nah. **** that.

If you want to contribute to the ethos of what is America, and not be a burden on America, I don't care what race you are. You're welcome. If you hate America and what it stands for, GTFO. Go back to your **** hole.

 

[jamil]

How TF such an East Coast elitist as Trump became adored by a crowd so set against elitism is amazing.

Elitist? Being elite is not the same thing as being an elitist. Is being wealthy inherently elitist? Elitists are people who, because of their social class, education, intelligence, or whatever has put them at the top, believe that they are more qualified to order society than the ordinary people who live in it. Obama, for example is an elitist. Mike Pence, is an elitist. George Soros, is an elitist. Nancy Pelosi, GWB, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell are all elitists.

Elite people who don't advocate for elitism: Elon Musk. Peter Thiel, Donald Trump, etcetera.

Can you cite examples of Trump being an actual elitist, rather than simply being elite?

 

[jamil]

No, this is the result of everyone's violent rhetoric. TBF, I'm really surprised Biden is making it out unscathed.

Well, no one on the right, even if deranged enough to be capable of doing such a thing, would do anything to Biden, because they know Kuntala is even worse.

But. I'm gonna push back on the idea that it's everyone. Pretty hard.

There are some people on the right that advocate symmetry in tactics. But, prominent people on the right are not calling for violence against Trump and his supporters. Name a Republican with the prominence of the President of the United States who is making the case for assassinating Trump like Biden has? Harris has done the same. The media is constantly calling Trump and his supporters a threat to democracy. Making the case that "MAGA" has to be stopped at any cost. The hyperbole is unreal. An existential threat?

Sitting Democratic members of congress have advocated being violent against Republicans they see in public. Where is the symmetry on the right?

 

[KLB]

And yet in the post overturning of Roe abortion rates are going up.

Maybe laws aren't the only way to be Pro-Life.

And how would you think that the party platform should reflect that? Politicians are about laws. If there is no law to pass or repeal, what would they do with it?

 

[Bugzilla]

A baseball bat to the kneecap would have worked a lot quicker and have been more effective than that yellow dildo.

 

[Bugzilla]

I’m going on a limb but JettaKnight has TDS and is a close relative to KUTT.

 

[jamil]

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

I keep hearing people whine about how the Republicans this or not this, used to be, far right like the far left. Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Bottom line is the entire world is changing and although I do not like what I see, I must make the best informed decision I can to hang on to whatever foundation we may have left. Do I like what I see on either side? Is either side perfect? No to both. Knowing that, I look at the best possible person who can get the job done that I see is best for our future.

Do I bash or talk negative about the things I do not like or do I talk about the things that I think will help the best? The left LOVES listing to all the people who bash Trump but they say they will still vote for him! Why, because the negative points YOU whine about are talking points they pick up on. Say then enough and you eventually can indoctrinate some into voting against Trump.

EVERYONE needs to be lifting up Trump (or who ever else can help this country). We need to be the positive talking points for all to hear so we may sway others to vote for him. The same people are drooling at the bit at the thought of an opportunity to point out someone's weak points at the expense of our future.

We are weeks away from the election. The 2 runners are final. At this point the debate or discussion about who is fit or not should be far behind us all. At this time we should be highlighting the positive impact we can have on our country and proud of that. You just may sway an undecided to vote. As it is right now, some of the rhetoric I read here is nothing more than ammo for the enemy and certainly will not sway anyone to vote.

Generally speaking, I don't think we need to lift up Trump for the sake of the lifting. I don't think doing so would help anyone at this point who is vacillating. You're not gonna convince the neocons, because they loves them some war and they'll let go of their war drumstick when you pry it from their cold, dead hands. (which is a euphemism for how much they love war, and not so much the cold, dead hands thing)

But, I've been less critical of Trump of late, because I think it's important to focus on what is most important. We should always be willing to say what's true, but especially to focus on what is most important at the time. Right now, Trump's faults aren't as important to speak about as the consequences of another 4 years of Democratic destruction of American values.

For example, the abortion debate. Trump's moderate position on abortion I'm sure feels important to speak the truth about. But, clinging to the freedoms to even have a debate about it is more important at the moment. If the Kuntala is elected, she has promised to stack the courts. They will turn this country into the Marxist utopia they've dreamed of, and then the only debates about abortion will be in dark corners where people feel free enough to even speak their minds to people they trust.

So yeah, let's be capable of critiquing even Trump when appropriate. He's not perfect. He's what we got. Let's hold him accountable if you can muster the will to do so. But does it even matter in this moment? If you're gonna vote for a porn star ****er, because the alternative is far worse, does it matter? Is knowing he's a porn star ****er gonna sway your vote? Not for me.

 

[KLB]

I’m going on a limb but JettaKnight has TDS and is a close relative to KUTT.

 

[jamil]

I’m going on a limb but JettaKnight has TDS and is a close relative to KUTT.

Nah. I think JK is having a hard time navigating the new post Trump GOP world where establishment Republicans have become enemy second only to Democrats.

I don't think he's so much like Kut. Kut was fairly progressive. JK, to me, seems like more of a trad con mixed with some neocon. Socially conservative leaning, politically moderate. Kinda like Nixon, only not a crook. Presumably. I mean, he could get elected to the Indiana General Assembly and fit right in with the rest of them.

But, we'll wear him down. But I think it's gonna be hard to convince him that we don't need to get involved in world conflicts under the guise of projecting American interests thorughout the world.

 

[jamil]

And yet in the post overturning of Roe abortion rates are going up.

Maybe laws aren't the only way to be Pro-Life.

Well, yeah. That's because Democrats are promoting abortion as something everyone should do. It looks to me like they're trying to punish pro-lifers for taking away their holy grail, RvW. They're trying to rub pro-lifer's noses in all their abortions.

Now. Regardless where we all stand on the issue of abortion, I kinda think that makes Democrats the bad guys in all this. Encouraging people to **** and then kill their babies, to make a political point.

 

[DadSmith]

Education Nation: Trump vows historic cut to Education Department in second term - Washington Examiner

Donald Trump lays out many of his goals in “Agenda47: President Trump’s Ten Principles For Great Schools Leading To Great Jobs.”

www.washingtonexaminer.com

"Trump has many times said he would abolish the Department of Education. Among Trump’s other promises are reversing the Biden administration’s transgender student protections, fighting for parents rights in schools, school choice, allowing prayer and religion back in schools, and giving students access to internships as well as career counseling to get them on the right path early on."

 

[DadSmith]

 

[Bugzilla]

Nah. I think JK is having a hard time navigating the new post Trump GOP world where establishment Republicans have become enemy second only to Democrats.

I don't think he's so much like Kut. Kut was fairly progressive. JK, to me, seems like more of a trad con mixed with some neocon. Socially conservative leaning, politically moderate. Kinda like Nixon, only not a crook. Presumably. I mean, he could get elected to the Indiana General Assembly and fit right in with the rest of them.

But, we'll wear him down. But I think it's gonna be hard to convince him that we don't need to get involved in world conflicts under the guise of projecting American interests thorughout the world.

So you are saying a distant relative to Kut and not a close relative!?!

 

[JettaKnight]

And how would you think that the party platform should reflect that? Politicians are about laws. If there is no law to pass or repeal, what would they do with it?

Better support for child care, prenatal services, etc.

 

[JettaKnight]

We can start with every Republican voting to send yet more money to Ukraine. And by that I mean pumping more money into the military industrial complex.

And Israel?

 

[KLB]

Better support for child care, prenatal services, etc.

Just say no to even more Federal spending. It is not the governments job to provide any of that.